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Alvaro Morata: “Returning to Real Madrid is what I’d like best”

May 31, 2016 - 7:38 am

Alvaro Morata has given his clearest indication yet that he may be leaving Juventus this summer.

Speaking to Spanish newspaper AS, Morata talked of his desire to return to Real Madrid and how a move to Premier League wouldn’t be a ‘step-back’.

“My experience at Juventus was rewarding. I won everything that could be won in Italy, more than once, I made it into the final of the Champions League, I scored and I developed as a player and as a person.” He told the Spanish daily.

“I think I’m a different player now than I was when I left Real Madrid. Above all else, I proved that I can play for a great team.

“I hope everything may be resolved before June 13, because it’s awkward to be here with the national team with a phone in my hand. Let’s see what happens and where I’m going to play in the end.

“Of course returning to Real Madrid is what I’d like best. This is my desire, to win with Real Madrid. But in that club there are some extraordinary players, and what I want is to play and feel important.

“Next year I’ll play for the team that gives me the greatest opportunities to do that.

“I have a few offers in England and I’m tempted, not just because of the salary. I think the Premier League would be a great achievement for me, given my characteristics.

“This isn’t to say that I want to leave Juventus, a team that I have nothing but kind words for. I’m just saying that going to the Premier League wouldn’t be a step back, on the contrary.

“With all the things that I learned in Italy, having the opportunity to learn something more in England would make of me a more complete player, I think.

“I’m 23 and what I want is to develop, to play, to learn from the best. I want a good career.”

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    BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 8:24 am

    Dont know why, but I feel a bit disgusted with him.

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      LMJuveDK May 31, 2016 at 9:33 am

      The moment i saw this article i was thinking the same thing. Lets just ship this guy off and be done with it. He obviously rather sit on the bench in Real Madrid. He would rather be bought back by Real Madrid and sold off to the highest bidding team. That really says alot about him. He should go to Manchester City, they have a whole team with his kind.

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        BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 9:41 am

        Exactly. Why come out with this now? Because he doesnt have to see his Juve teammates anymore? Did he get reassurances from someone? Was he asked to say this by Real so Juve would let him go?

        Plus the standard quotes about Juve, I kinda expected more than that. I feel let down somehow.

        If you cant fight a 30year old Mandzukic for a starting spot, I dont know what he expects elsewhere.

        He has got himself a Juve family and apparently that isnt enough. Move along then

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          DutchJuventus May 31, 2016 at 6:27 pm

          Perhaps if you talk to him personally he would say different things about Juve. He’d be able to talk more from the heart. In the press you can’t do that. Every player would tell these standard lines, unless they are Del Piero or Buffon for example. I understand your frustration though.

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            BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 6:54 pm

            If you love a club, there is no problem in saying so! If it is Real then it is Real, I dont mind if he loves them over Juve. I understand that too.

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        Dar Black May 31, 2016 at 10:28 am

        Most EPL teams are filled with this kind!

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      Dar Black May 31, 2016 at 10:31 am

      +1 Well at least he has come out and told what was suspected. Bye bye Alvaro, thanks for everything. Can’t see him in the EPL to be honest. But enjoy the money while you can.

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      ADP#10 May 31, 2016 at 7:43 pm

      I feel a little disappointed. Bye bye Alvaro, thanks for everything!

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    Dar Black May 31, 2016 at 10:33 am

    So does this mean Cavani is coming? Can’t see how Juve can keep a player who doesn’t want to stay.

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      ADP#10 May 31, 2016 at 7:43 pm

      Cavani won’t be coming realistically. Ridiculous wages and would cost at least 50M.

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    JuveMarchisio May 31, 2016 at 10:47 am

    I think, like any young player, he wants to be choise number one in attack, don’t think Madrid will use him as number one, a shame though, Juve has Dybala and he is simply not as good as Paolo.

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      ADP#10 May 31, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      Alvaro didn’t deserve to start. There was a stretch of 20 games with no goal. Mandzukic isn’t a world class player, and if you can’t push him out of the starting XI then the only person you can blame is yourself.

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    thegutterpoet May 31, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    No surprise whatsoever. He has expressed what has seemed the most likely conclusion for a fair few weeks. It is rather galling to find us last in his list of options…Still, I am glad he has finally found some integrity – albeit after leaving Turin for the EUROs – to confirm that he wants Real, the Premier League and Juve only as a last resort. Whether he wants the thing sorted by June 13th or not is now not our concern. We can now move to replace him. I suppose I can look at Alves replacing Cuadrado more than Caceres, and Berardi replacing Morata. Which leaves Caceres to be replaced, and I assume we will proceed with the Benatia loan proposal.

    Will Morata prosper in the premier league? Depends who he plays for. He lacks the grit of Aguero and Sanchez, and his lightning turn of pace will be less useful as teams move the ball around more quickly and defend in such a manner that chances on the break appear less common than in Italy where the defences are much tighter and playing a higher line. I wish him neither well or woe.

    I remain very keen on Matic, though the smoke has cleared on that one I close to conclude. Gomes seems too pricey given his other suitors. Saponara would be fine. Especially in place of Pereyra. I do feel that we will sign a top drawer player. Not sure whether in attack or AM or even DM. Mascherano would be immense. One of the most complete players in the game. Reminds me of Cannavaro. He would solve the regista role and cover the CB positions.

    As I have included in my work in progress of a youth report, and I see now has been printed on football italia…new rules come into play from next season onwards, which demand we include 4 players who have spent 3 years between the ages of 16 and 21 in our youth set-up, and 4 players who have spent 3 years in the same period at any italian club. They need not be italian.

    Presently, only Marchisio meets the first category. The second category is more easily satisfied – Buffon, Bonucci, Zaza, Berardi for example. Which leaves us 3 places in the squad. Maximum squad size is 25. Which means we need 3 more players who have spent 3 years between 16 and 21 in our youth sector.

    Mirante, who seems set to come in for outgoing Neto, may well be one of those 3. The other two? Audero could come in as a third choice keeper. The other? I have zero inkling, for to sign Alves negates Lirola. Romagna could come in, but as 5th or 6th choice CB his development may be stunted? I will save such considerations for the report.

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      Dar Black May 31, 2016 at 12:25 pm

      English press are quoting Gomez has said himself that he is going to Man Utd. Whether true or not….

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      ADP#10 May 31, 2016 at 7:56 pm

      Very well said.

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    elisadallomo May 31, 2016 at 1:26 pm

    …. am I the only one not seeing a big deal here? He’s a canterano.. of course his first choice is going to be Real. I wouldn’t have expected anything less than that. Second, of course his second choice is going to be a team where HE will be first choice. He’s not first choice at Juve right now, and he probably knows it’ll be easier for him to earn that spot in an EPL team.. he is, above all, a football player: it’s normal that he is going to want to play. If he doesn’t want to work harder to earn his starting spot back in Juve, it’s his choice.. and he can’t be hated for it. In fact, if he doesn’t want to work harder at Juve, then by all means, go to EPL… right??

    Alvaro is 23, he spent only two years with us.. why do you expect him to feel a deeper attachment to Juve than what he has? At least he gave us all he had while he was with us.. and I don’t think he’ll have anything but nice words about Juve in the future, regardless of the team he’s with. To be honest, the only people I expect to have this jersey tattooed on their skin are the ones who already have it: Marchisio, Buffon, Chiellini… and maybe Bonucci.

    Also, since I’m already writing this anyway….. to everyone saying Marotta fucked this deal over by accepting it with the buy-back clause….. do you really think Real Madrid was gonna let him go WITHOUT a buy-back clause?? And what was the alternative, not getting him at all??

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      Moderator May 31, 2016 at 2:12 pm

      I do love you for writing this, Elisa – I;m in total agreement. We got something out of this deal, as did he, as did Real Madrid – All benefited in some way.

      I always tried to overlook the fact that he’s a canterano and hoped that the love he got at Juve would, in some way, be a substitute – The fact that Madrid is always in his heart is no bad thing, the heart wants what it wants – I hope he goes back there, rather than leaving for the EPL.

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        elisadallomo May 31, 2016 at 2:49 pm

        Me too. If he’s leaving Juve, which seems very likely now, I hope it’s for Real. And I hope they don’t bench him often… he’s a good player but he needs continuity. However, his whole heart is with RM.. and obviously he’d rather be benched at RM than benched at Juve, which makes total sense to me.

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          Moderator May 31, 2016 at 2:59 pm

          I would hate for him to join the PL – It sounds arrogant and selfish, but it would seem almost…….to see him in an Arsenal or Chelsea shirt now. MAdrid would be understandable as a destination

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            elisadallomo May 31, 2016 at 3:24 pm

            Well, I don’t know.. I can see him in Conte’s Chelsea. Even though he won’t play CL, I think he’d find the importance he’s looking for if he ends up starting and Chelsea have the comeback season Conte had in his first year with Juve. I honestly don’t follow EPL so I don’t know if it’s possible…. aaaand, though I “can” see him in Chelsea, I won’t.. ’cause I have no interest in EPL.

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            Dar Black May 31, 2016 at 3:49 pm

            Cheslsea or Arsenal are likely destinations. He will see no success at either of them, but his back account will be full of £££££.

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            elisadallomo May 31, 2016 at 4:04 pm

            Oh, well, I personally hope he will be successful wherever he goes.

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            BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 7:59 pm

            With Chelsea perhaps, but Arsenal is pretty useless to join indeed.

            Which is a shame, it should be reversed

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            DutchJuventus May 31, 2016 at 6:16 pm

            I think he would be very succesfull in the PL. At Arsenal he can play alot, i rate him higher than Giroud and they are playing CL. He won’t go back to Madrid, they can’t offer him anything but the bench. I do rate Morata as a better player and better mentality than Benzema though.

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        ADP#10 May 31, 2016 at 7:52 pm

        Who cares where he goes to be honest? If he doesn’t want us that’s absolutely fine. It’s his life, he can choose what he pleases. I will thank him for his great service over the last 2 years though. He was instrumental for us in so many games.

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      BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 2:45 pm

      He was our first choice last season, he lost his place by not scoring or assisting for over 20 games eh, a while ago by now!

      If he is not willing to challenge 30+ Mandzukic, he is going to be disappointed with his new club too. At least if he aims for a top team. If he wants to be a guaranteed starter with no challenge whatsoever, he shouldnt even aim for Madrid or Juve. This stuff happens, he was still appreciated by team and coach.

      Its okay if his heart lies in Madrid, he grew up there. We, or at least I, hoped he would be faithful to Juve now. We made him a starter, especially in CL and its frankly a matter of time before he pushed MM out again.

      But as you said too, if his heart and mind isnt here, he should find himself a new team – unfortunately for him it wont be Real either.

      I dont think Marotta did bad with the buyback, but that is entirely up for debate and Captain Hindsight chatter.

      There were alternatives, but he opted for Morata. I would try to avoid this kind of deals in the future though. Juve is not a schooling place for Madrid youth.

      Anyway, good points raised!

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        elisadallomo May 31, 2016 at 3:05 pm

        Yea, I agree.. I think he can have waaaay more space at Juve next season.. and he can become a force to be reckoned with paired with Dybala. And I also agree that if he thinks he won’t be able to outplay Mandzukic and earn back the spot….. well, then he shouldn’t stay. He already proved that when he’s at his best he’s slightly above Mandzo… but Mario is more consistent, which makes him more reliable.

        Though I do think Morata was the best choice given what the coach wanted and the alternatives available at the moment, I agree that these deals add unnecessary stress to the player and the staff that is preparing a season. But there’s also one thing we all seem to be overlooking: how appealing was Juve two years ago to big talents/big teams?? Now, after a CL final and a commendable run this time around, it’s another story.. NOW we can refuse buy-back clauses. NOW we can decide the conditions and write our own contracts. But two years ago I don’t think Dani Alves would’ve even considered leaving Barça for us…… two years ago, Morata and his buy-back clause was an awesome deal.

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          BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 6:01 pm

          If Morata and Dybala would spend some time together ln the field and understand each other, they would be an absolute killing machine.

          I am convinced Morata is far better than MM, but also more inconsistent.

          We didnt really lose anything, but neither did we really gain anything: we have to start again for a striker to replace him.

          I think we should avoid more of these deals, as you say, that added pressure is no good for anyone and what is the point of it if we can never keep the player? We are not some boarding school for Madrid youngsters either.

          And thats true, our European(global) pedigree probably never was as low as in recent years..(post-Calciopoli)

          Since Allegri took the reins, we truly make An impact in Europe again and we are again seen as European elite.

          Onwards from here on!! New blood, new opportunities, new titles! Juve will survive without Morata too

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            elisadallomo May 31, 2016 at 8:15 pm

            Mandzo is a beast. I agree that he’s below Morata otherwise but I’d rather have players like Mario in my team – a personal and probably unpopular opinion. And, going by what Allegri said about his attitude after that fateful CL game, he accepts his responsibilities and isn’t at all entitled. But, then again, Mario is older, it’s obvious he’s going to have more experience in every way.

            In theory, we don’t have to start all over, like we did this year. We currently have three strikers that already know each other well, two of them are already our principal attacking duo… and the rumored fourth, Berardi, already knows and has played with Zaza.

            But, yes.. onwards. Whether Morata stays or leaves, this next season is looking like it will be lots of fun!

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            BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 8:49 pm

            I’m still unable to really make up my mind about big Mario. He has enormous poaching skills, give him a decent ball and 9/10 he will bury it. His workrate is also phenomenal, I dont know many strikers who are so present in the defense too.

            But that leads me to the problems I have with him too. I dont think we need him in the defense, for he leaves the attack without reference point. He is there to finish it, I dont want him defending! He is far too slow to get back and therefore absolutely useless in counter attacking football. He has to stay up front.

            It is too easy for elite defenders to mark him. He is not really special in any kind of technique, dribbles or flashy stuff like that. Just a big bad bully coming through. And perhaps an unpopular opinion too: I think Zaza performs this role better.

            Its entirely up for debate of course and more a personal thing than a fact, what a striker should and shouldnt do.

            Besides all this, I think this is the point of no return for Morata. That bridge has burned down.

            I hope for Cavani or Batshuayi to replace him. Berardi is great and I want him too, but he is not a striker.

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            elisadallomo May 31, 2016 at 10:00 pm

            True.. sometimes he wastes too much energy defending but, I dunno… I like that about him. Seems innate, not something he is asked to do. It shows his commitment to the team and the victory. I understand strikers are there to strike but it drives me crazy when I see a striker walking about, or just standing there.. so, yea, he should tone it down but not stop doing it completely.

            Zaza will improve as he keeps playing and growing.. right now he’s too volatile for my taste. I’m actually looking forward to him spending the summer with Conte. I think he’ll be able to learn the difference between aggression and intention from Conte… hopefully. I would also like to stop hearing the “I hope I play more next season” from him. I’d like for him to transform it into “I will work hard to earn a more important role next season”. Inwards, too.. not just words for a journalist. He needs to realize he should just work harder. I remember his games as a starter weren’t as bright as when he came in at the last 10 or 15 mins…

            Allegri said it best.. paraphrasing, he said these young kids think that just because they did something important in one match, like a counter-attack-saving tackle or a game-deciding goal, they were automatically entitled to a starting spot in the next game and to all the glory.. some of them still haven’t realized game-deciding goals aren’t a show of their greatness but their job. It’s that simple. That’s what they are required to do for the team… for the club, first and foremost. I don’t think Allegri is purposely excluding players for petty reasons…. then again, I could be wrong, I don’t know, but I like Allegri (now :P).

            I’m excited to see how we’ll play if/when Berardi gets here.. will he be more of a trequartista, playing behind the strikers, or is Allegri over the whole thing already? I don’t see him replacing Alex Sandro/Evra in a 3-5-2.. that side seems locked down already. And if the Alves transfer is true… unlikely he’ll play on that side, too. Will he be used in a 4-3-3 instead of Alex, then? Or a 4-3-1-2…? I don’t know, but it will be exciting. And hopefully smoother than this season’s transition…

            Thank you for the welcome! I usually only read.. but I’ll try to join these conversations more often, specially during slow days at work like today. It was fun!

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            BelgianJuventino June 1, 2016 at 5:33 am

            I also like the grit and determination it shows, but it is very much a personal thing. I wouldn’t want him picking his nose half the game staying up front either. But he’s a prima punta and should always be there to finish chances. His age doesnt allow him to do both.

            Fully agreed about Zaza. Those rash tackles need to be worked on. He’s a beast to be used as a sub though! If he could control the amount of cards he gets better, we would value him a lot more.

            And again, full agreement on the youngster mentality, it’s only normal though. Allegri is a fantastic coach, even if it took me some time to acknowledge it too! 😛

            I’m also looking forward to how Berardi will fit in at Juve. I think a 4-3-3 with him on the right would be the more natural fit for him. (but is playing on the left something for Dybala eh? Mario is bound to be the central striker in a 4-3-3)
            Playing behind the strikers is something I’m sure he can do as well, maybe it would need some practice first.

            I’ve also spent about a year on this site only reading 😉 Happy you decided to chat along! What do you think of the impending arrival of Dani Alves?

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            elisadallomo June 1, 2016 at 1:21 pm

            Well, Berardi is a leftie, too… which means it’s natural he’d favor playing on the right…. just like Dybala……. unless they weren’t planning on using Berardi/Dybala together….. I don’t know, I’m so glad I’m not in charge of lineups, it’s confusing. XD

            Alves… well, I’m gonna preface this by mentioning I don’t follow other leagues, really. I don’t even watch El Clásico or any other “important” derbies. So what I know of Alves comes from the CL games I’ve seen him play in and what I’ve read in the past week. I think we saw what an offensive man on the right can do for us when we got Cuadrado… as much as I love Lichty, offense isn’t his strong suit. Plus, Dani Alves has a lot of experience in pretty much every competition in Europe and America. CL games are normal to him.. he’s faced every big team (except Barcelona, I guess) with the confidence and security that you get when you play in a top team… so, I’m very excited.

            With Alves and Berardi coming, I think we only need a man in defense and someone for the midfield to replace Marchisio until he comes back. As much as I’ve enjoyed Lemina’s progress, I don’t think him and Hernanes can take care of that spot properly yet. I just don’t see Pogba-Lemina/Hernanes-Khedira in CL matches….

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            BelgianJuventino June 1, 2016 at 1:54 pm

            Its fascinating to think of the possibilities. I wonder about a Christmastree formation myself. Mandzukic up front, supporter by Dybala and Berardi behind him, then Pogba Khedira and Marchisio(replacement) and a 4man defence with Sandro Chiellini Bonucci and Lichty.

            Or something along those lines. Maybe we can throw in Pjanic and Alves in this.

            As a player he is certainly a good addition, there are a mot of Barca fans unhappy with the idea of him leaving.

            I hope we can get a good midfielder to cover for Claudio. Lemina is too green and Hernanes too grey.

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            elisadallomo June 1, 2016 at 2:28 pm

            That one might work, but I don’t know if I’d put Sandro in the back four for that formation.. I still see him more as an attacking player, don’t know why, and prefer him in a 3-5-2… so I might be inclined to try Evra instead of Sandro or Chiello-Barza-Bonucci-Licht. It will still be exciting, hope we get to try different formations during our summer tour.

            It does look like they’re negotiating for Pjanic.. but my Twitter timeline threw in Kovacic’s name in the mix today, and Marchisio’s role in front of the defense is the one he’s most used to, so I’m slightly more excited to get him than Miralem. But we’ll see. Calciomercato frustrates me too much to truly get into it.

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            BelgianJuventino June 1, 2016 at 2:47 pm

            I think Sandro would do well as a left winger too. That formation is just an idea, you can switch a lot of players in there. As you say for example or with Alves as RB and so on.

            I wouldnt mind adding Kovacic either, especially since we could make a little dig towards Inter with that move.

            A really good CM or treq would make me more than happy. With Alves and Berardi we have some new options as well.

            Good idea not to get hyped with anything before confirmation, or we would face a lot of disillusions!

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            elisadallomo June 1, 2016 at 3:18 pm

            He’d have to come and kill it, though….. the previous dig attempt with Hernanes didn’t really work in our favor, huh? XD

            It has been too harsh to get excited over players and then see them sign for someone else in previous years, so I’m hoping I can keep it together this year and not believe the hype. It would help if I got off Twitter.. buuut I won’t.

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            BelgianJuventino June 1, 2016 at 3:57 pm

            Lol, not exactly no xD but then again, Hernanes was a last resort (dare I say panick buy?) and Kovacic is far more promising.

            The biggest disappointment for me was definitely missing out on Aguero, who went to Man City instead. We ended up with Vucinic instead then. He wasnt all that bad, but Aguero at Juve? How awesome would that have been?! (Barring all those injuries)

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            elisadallomo June 1, 2016 at 4:39 pm

            Kovacic was the only one I could stand in that team (THAT team) and I was sorta glad he went to RM when he did, thinking he’d get more exposure, so I was a bit sad for him when it didn’t happen. I hope he doesn’t stay as “a promise” (kinda like Giovinco). And, if he comes to Juve, I hope he develops into the type of player I think he could be.

            Aww, poor Vucinic. Agüero would’ve been fun, but I guess we’ll never know! He could’ve flopped for all we know…

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            BelgianJuventino June 1, 2016 at 8:05 pm

            I dont know him all that well, but he looked promising. He has plenty of time to establish himself, but he will have to leave Real for doing so

            THAT team has a knack for selling their potential stars, so who knows. Look at Kovacic, look at Coutinho.

            I actually like Mirko, his creative sparks were a joy to watch. But in the end, he was not good enough for Juve.

            Its all hindsight but even now its a mouth watering idea to have Aguero in Turin!

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            elisadallomo June 2, 2016 at 12:42 pm

            I don’t know if it’s because all of the recent teams we’ve formed have won but I haven’t really regretted not getting a player, even those I was excited to get….. actually, some I’ve regretted getting, but they’ve mostly either warmed the bench or proved me wrong so no harm done. Still, I get it, some players one can’t help but want!

            Juve already made my dream signing when they brought in Pirlo, who’s been my fave since the 2006 WC but whom I couldn’t really cheer for (in the Lega) everrrr ’cause of THAT OTHER team.. and then to have him come and silence everyone who thought he was done and his career was over… it was magical. The scene of him in the locker room after winning his first Scudetto with Juve, hugging Buffon and Del Piero and crying his eyes out… man, that is what football dreams are made of. I’ll never forget that.

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            BelgianJuventino June 2, 2016 at 12:53 pm

            Well yes, I dont exactly “miss” Aguero, but imagining him at Juve is still fascinating.

            Fortunately our buys have been pretty good under Marotta, only that tool Jorge Martinez was a blunder.

            And now that management is more willing to spend more on one player, it only gets better (20 for Morata and 40 for Dybala, hopefully soon Berardi for 25 and perhaps another big move?)

            For me, it was adding Barzagli that was great. Always been a solid defender and underestimated for nearly his whole career, look at him now. 35 and still going strong

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            elisadallomo June 2, 2016 at 1:12 pm

            It is! He’s a killer.. sometimes too selfish for my liking, but maybe strikers should be a bit selfish. Aaaand I’m gonna come clean here and say I don’t even remember Jorge Martínez…. until I just googled him. I don’t know, maybe they like him and want to help him out with $$? I have no idea how that renovation even happened. Honestly, the only thing I like to remember about 2010-2011 is Toni-Matri, because for some reason I’ve always liked tall attackers.

            Oh, Barza (and Marchisio) are my current faves, and I have the jerseys to prove it! 😛 I just didn’t know Barzagli before he joined so it wasn’t someone that I wanted as hard as I wanted Pirlo. He didn’t play much in that WC, at least not enough for me to notice him back then. But, I agree… he is probably the best out of our three, or at least the most intelligent as a defender, and I hope he rubs off on Rugani the most because I think a defender like him is the hardest kind to come across.

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            BelgianJuventino June 2, 2016 at 1:49 pm

            A world class striker should be selfish to a certain degree imo, I hate it when I see strikers waste a good chance by trying to pass the ball in the box. You are supposed to score so shoot already eh! Just avoid Ronaldo-level of selfishness.

            He didnt play at all for Juve, so no shame in not knowing him. He was bought for 12mill and is easily the worst transfer made by Marotta.

            Matri was fun when he was confident, but more often than not he just wasnt good enough. Too bad the shame counted for Toni, he didnt fit in I guess.

            You know what they say, pics or it isnt true! Haha, but good choices anyway, I only have a Del Piero jersey myself.

            Unfortunately for Barzagli, he was in the shadow of Cannavaro – Materazzi at that WC. He didnt play much.

            Expectations are high for Rugani, I have full faith in this guy, he is the next big thing for Juve and Italy!

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            elisadallomo June 2, 2016 at 2:30 pm

            Don’t remind me.. Matri was one of the ones I hoped would make it.. he’s a good guy, and I cheer for good guys. Looks like he’s toying with the idea of MLS, though.. which might end up being a great choice for him!

            I can’t wait to keep watching Rugani grow and develop. He’s another good guy, and it seems like he has a great head on his shoulders, despite being so young.

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            BelgianJuventino June 2, 2016 at 2:38 pm

            I loved the crowd and announcer cheering whenever Matri scored.
            Mitra Matri RATATATA!! Still gives me goosebumps.

            Rugani is as mature as Barzagli already, down to earth with an attitude of “keep your head down and work as hard as you can”.

            A shame he is only a reserve at EURO16.

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            elisadallomo June 2, 2016 at 8:47 pm

            Oh, stop.. the feels.. so many good memories from that time.

            Actually……. I like that he is only a reserve….. I feel like Conte won’t be the right fit for Rugani….. I don’t know, I like Conte with the aggressive, grinta-full players like Zaza and Sturaro.. he kinda shows them how to redirect that excess of energy into playing like beasts. I may be full of unpopular opinions today but I’m more looking forward to him under Ventura, who (according to my dad the Torino fan, anyway) is better at working with and developing young talents. Between Allegri and Ventura, Rugani will most definitely be in WC 2018… at least I hope he is!

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            BelgianJuventino June 2, 2016 at 8:56 pm

            Haha, there are some great YouTube video’s if you want to relive those times!

            Agreed, Conte isnt the coach for him, but I still feel bad for Daniele. But he is there to soak up the atmosphere and experience it, so its not all too bad.

            Your dad is a Torino fan? And he raised a Juve daughter? That is awesome actually xD I hope for you he is okay with that though!

            Conte doesnt strike me as a coach fit for nurturing talent, unless they are called Pogba.
            I dont know Ventura that well, but he did a lot for Bonucci too when he was a youngster.

            I just hope Ventura will also be a good national coach, it is so very different than club coaching.

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            elisadallomo June 2, 2016 at 9:15 pm

            Rugani got a good deal… he gets to go to the Euro and, like you said, soak up the experience. It’ll prepare him for the WC. Plus, you never know!

            Pogba really was the exception, huh? I guess you just couldn’t ignore a talent like that. I think Ventura will understand that he won’t be with the players 24/7 and might be more open to communicating with the other Serie A coaches. We will see! I just really want the NT to do well…. I had such high hopes two years ago.

            Actually, my dad was the lone rebel amongst a Juve family.. he tried to raise me granata but for some reason I always ended up liking the Juventus players in the NT.. and then by ’91 I just made my choice… which I guess he’s fine with!’cause he actually has it worse… his youngest son is an Inter fan. UGH.

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            BelgianJuventino June 3, 2016 at 4:48 am

            I really dont understand how an elite coach like Ferguson managed it to not see Pogba’s obvious talent.

            We will see I guess! A strong Juve usually means a strong Azzurri, though right now I wouldnt really say that.

            Oh dear, that is bad indeed 😛
            We need to find a cure!

            Here in Belgium its hard to find any Serie A/Azzurri fans. I am usually the sole fan among the Liga/EPL fans

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            elisadallomo June 3, 2016 at 2:21 pm

            I get it. I currently live in the Dominican Republic and they’re all either Madridistas or Culés here… and I honestly can’t sit through a La Liga game if my life depended on it. But, hey, at least we have these little corners of the internet to talk about Juve and Serie A in general. 🙂

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            BelgianJuventino June 3, 2016 at 3:52 pm

            Yup, you know exactly what it is then :p

            Yes indeed, I’m still so happy we have this great site and the people here to discuss Juve things.

            Genuinely the site I check most often of all

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            elisadallomo June 3, 2016 at 3:59 pm

            Agreed! 🙂

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            BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 8:50 pm

            And besides that, a warm welcome to commenting/our little community!!

            Its fun to see so many new people around.

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    Jas May 31, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    Mixed emotions here.. I always figgured he’d want to go back to Madrid but he also made so many statements saying he doesn’t want to leave and that Turin is the best place for him. He gave us two years of service and we will still make around 15million with him leaving. Now, my theory is that this has nothing to do with Juventus. The fact off the matter is that the rest of Serie A is just not appealing in all honesty. There is no more heavy weights besides us. Whereas Spain has Barca, Real, Atletico. The premier league is of course the most appealing given the hype around it. Hopefully there will be some investment by my Milan and Napoli this summer. But lets face it, Serie has fallen through the cracks so much…. I think at heart he has great affection for Juve but its just not an appealing league to play in. We need the rest of Serie A to invest!! What has happend to Milan is beyond a low point. I am 99% sure if our league was more competitive than he’d stay.

    Granted, I cant wait to see alves and Beraradi in a juve jersey. On top of that we might actually sign another class striker (hopefully batshuayi).

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    Moderator May 31, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    Half the Juve squad is in the 23 man italy squad

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    BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    After thinking it through, I think I discovered what bothers me about this.

    Its no problem that Morata loves Madrid, its no problem he doesnt want Juve as much as them. Hell, it would be absurd to expect from everyone to love the club you like.

    What bothers me is that he says now: I want Madrid, while he is away from Turin and Juve. He could have said so days and weeks ago. His comments in his two years with us always made it clear that he loved it here and wanted to stay here. He even criticised Madrid publicly.

    Its a bit hypocritical. And I blame him for it because I expected so much more from him. Hell, I sound like a bitching mum right now. Just loved him so much at Juve and now this disappointing message.

    I would wish you good luck for the rest of your career Alvaro, but I honestly couldnt care less right now whether or not you succeed.

    Rant over.

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      Dar Black May 31, 2016 at 7:26 pm

      What also grates are his comments about the EPL transfer possibility. He could have come out and said I want to go back to Madrid 1st choice, but I DON’T want to move from Juve if that is not possible, I want RM and Juve to get together to thrash out a deal for my benefit – basically it’s RM or Juve or nothing. Now RM might not see it that way and might want to sell him on, but at least he would have made his intentions of respect for Juve and his desire to stay with us if not a 1st choice at Madrid public. He has not done that. He has basically given his nod to the idea that he is happy to end up somewhere other than Juve if RM don’t want him. That’s a shame.

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        BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 7:58 pm

        Indeed, he is selling out to anyone who will make him a starter without the slightest challenge.

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        elisadallomo June 1, 2016 at 12:34 pm

        “basically it’s RM or Juve or nothing”

        … wat? That’s career suicide right there. He’s 23.. it’s not like he’s a 35 year old player with a few years of quality football still left in him that can give an ultimatum like that…… and then go retire in MLS or China if it doesn’t pan out.

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          Dar Black June 1, 2016 at 2:11 pm

          Suicide only if he refused to move on and sit in RM’s B team in a sulk ‘Adebayor style’ (as I said to another person on the Pjanic thread). But he could still have tried to get a stay at Juve as a first choice backup if RM don’t want him. But he has not tried to do that though, clearly from his comments he sees no problem in a move to the EPL. Knowing full well that the club really want to keep him, his comments are not from someone who has Juve in his heart.

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            elisadallomo June 1, 2016 at 2:45 pm

            Making that statement publicly is career suicide. Regardless of what he feels in his heart, or what he says to his agent in their private conversations, you can’t publicly say those are your only two plausible alternatives.

            For example, I’m a graphic designer.. I work in advertising. My social media tends to be very neutral, products-wise, for a very specific reason. I may favor Coca Cola… but if Pepsi wants to hire me, I’d obviously work for Pepsi. However, would Pepsi hire me if I’ve publicly said “it’s Coca Cola or Sprite or nothing”? Honestly I don’t even drink soda, but you know what I mean. And I feel like it’s a bad career move for a player to exclude other leagues categorically, unless it’s for a moral/ethical reason, publicly.

            Things are always more complicated than they seem. Juve has said they want to keep him, but I’m sure there are certain conditions… what if RM want 10 bajillion dollars, and Juve is only willing/able to offer 8? They might try to negotiate, but if Chelsea comes along and says “I want him, I’ll give you 15″….. do you think Real will say “no, wait, the player said he wants Juve second so we’ll keep negotiating with Juve, we don’t care about money”? RM would sell him to Chelsea without batting a single eyelash. And so there’s Álvaro, in Chelsea, after having said “I don’t want to play for anyone but RM or Juve”. What do you think he’d have to do then? He’d have to backtrack, which looks even worse.

            …. I meannnn, don’t wanna name namesss, but other players made public statements that made us feel like they had Juve in their hearts and thenn……….

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            Dar Black June 1, 2016 at 3:44 pm

            We will have to agree to disagree! Can’t see your analogy being the same in any way to Morata’s situation, but there you go. Footballers can nail their colours to the mast. Many do and have, especially if the club has a desire to keep them. Which in this case Juve clearly do (did).

            As we could afford to buy out the remainder of his contract there was a possibility this may happen (still might), so if Alvaro suspected that RM would sell him on then why not at least try as much as you can to steer them to negotiating a deal with Beppe M? If it doesn’t work out, then so be it. No harm will have been done.

            If RM don’t want to keep him then it’s only money that is the difference in the different transfer deals on offer. It’s not as if RM give a hoot where he ends up.

            Instead as Belgian rightly says all he has done is wave the green flag to start a bidding war with anyone who will pay out for him and put him as a 1st choice start without so much as a fight. He did not have to do that Elisa. He choose to. The way one behaves in these situations shows the true character.

            It may not be the modern business way as per your example, but then I am a bit old fashioned – I believe in acting honourably and with respect to those who have shown it to me. Alvaro might regret not having done the same if he ends up bounced around club to club if he fails to settle in the EPL. Things don’t always work out where the grass is supposedly greener, as players like Angel DiMaria have found out.

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            elisadallomo June 1, 2016 at 4:34 pm

            Trust me, I’d love for good players to tattoo our shirt on their bodies as much as the next bianconera/o, but, meh. Álvaro is young, has only been with us for two years after having spent all of his football life in Real…… I guess I didn’t expect him to swear allegiance to our flag, as many did, which is why it didn’t bother me as much that he didn’t, or that he didn’t categorically object to playing in EPL in this interview.

            I guess after reading that Buffon was thinking about leaving Juve in 2011, staying only after speaking to Conte, I understand that unwavering faithfulness is uncommon. True, Buffon didn’t make it public back then…. can you imagine the shit storm if he had said anything??….. and I guess therein lies the difference.

            But, Buffon was 33 back then, Álvaro is 23. He’s with his Spanish teammates right now. His friends are all Madridistas, and young. I can understand why his tongue might get a bit loose and he may speak more from the heart than from his head. I think he was a bit frustrated with this season.. not to say a lot.. you could visibly notice his frustration after the Bayern match….. “I don’t know why the coach took me out of the game, but I’m sure he knows what he’s doing”….. hmm.

            Aaaaanyway, yes, agree to disagree. 🙂 If he wants to and ends up leaving, like I mentioned in a different post, I will hope he is successful wherever he goes. If he stays, I will continue to cheer him on and celebrate his goals, as I have thus far.

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            DutchJuventus June 1, 2016 at 4:38 pm

            Vidal nearly tattood our shirt on his body and he still left..

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            elisadallomo June 1, 2016 at 4:42 pm

            🙂 Left AND made stupid comments like “I came to Bayern ’cause I wanted to win trophies”….. and I think he literally has a Juve tattoo… XD

            …. then you get Coman, who has made a lot of stupid comments about the club, and people complain that “we were stupid to let him go”. Kid clearly doesn’t want to play with us. That one I say good riddance to.

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      ADP#10 May 31, 2016 at 7:46 pm

      Well said my friend.

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      Peter June 1, 2016 at 7:48 am

      He’s taking a risk. He’s betting on himself, he expects a great performance in the Euro2016. If he leaves he will leave for Madrid anyway. I can’t really blame him, he grew up in their ranks, and if he plays well, he could be a starter there.

      If he messes this up, he can still come back to us and say in interviews that he meant “I want Madrid ***somewhere in the future***.”

      I think it’s okay.

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        BelgianJuventino June 1, 2016 at 10:40 am

        Meh, he can go. If Juve isnt where he wants to be, then I dont see the point of keeping him either.

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          Jas June 1, 2016 at 2:24 pm

          Agreed 100% with this statement. Alvaro was a very good big game player, but the rest of the season he was quite average. Since he is leaving for sure, I wonder if they will get anyone else besides Berardi. I have the out most sympathy for Morata, you cannot dislike the kid. He can, he helped us get to the C.L final and he was a positive influence, so why do we have to talk down on him?

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    BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    Italy squad for Euro 2016: 1 Buffon, 2 De Sciglio, 3 Chiellini, 4 Darmian, 5 Ogbonna, 6 Candreva, 7 Zaza, 8 Florenzi, 9 Pelle’, 10 Motta, 11 Immobile, 12 Sirigu, 13 Marchetti, 14 Sturaro, 15 Barzagli, 16 De Rossi, 17 Eder, 18 Parolo, 19 Bonucci, 20 Insigne, 21 Bernardeschi, 22 El Shaarawy, 23 Giaccherini

    They gave the #10 to Motta?
    Guess we can be happy Conte didnt select Padoin, Matri and Pepe too.

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      ADP#10 May 31, 2016 at 7:45 pm

      #10 to Motta? What has happened to the Azzurri….

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        BelgianJuventino May 31, 2016 at 7:56 pm

        In all honesty, none of these should have the 10, but why Motta is beyond me. He should have given it to Insigne in this case, in my opinion.

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      DutchJuventus June 1, 2016 at 4:29 pm

      Even with the injuries this is still a great squad. I think Italy could do well this euro and i will keep this hope untill i’m proven wrong. I really wonder what Conte will do with Pelle, will he use him as starting striker? He scored the only goal in the latest friendly.

      Also, Padoin magic only works at Juve.

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        BelgianJuventino June 1, 2016 at 9:13 pm

        Its quite a meagre squad in my eyes, especially when it comes to strikers. Only decent area is the defense. Midfield is in shambles and the attack is nothing special. None of these strikers are up to level.

        No Balotelli, no Rossi, no Toni, no Cassano. I dont like all these names and they sure are up for debate, but they are all far better than any of the called up strikers when they are in form. Heck, I was hoping Totti would return, so there is at least one great striker coming along.

        Pelle will be the starting striker, pretty sure of that. Who else anyway, only Zaza I can see get some time too. Eder is poor and Immobile not much better either.

        The goals will have to be made from the skills of Insigne, SES, their likes.

        But then again, Belgium nearly lost to Finland tonight, they are also not as good as people seem to think. The group will be an open one, anything can happen.

        Forza Italia, I also hope for the best, even though my thoughts are grim and expectations low.

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          DutchJuventus June 5, 2016 at 11:49 pm

          That’s only a friendly though. Holland is doing great in the 3 friendlies played before the Euro. When it came down to it, we didn’t make it through the qualification. Friendlies say nothing, i think Belgium is a real outsider. Tough luck with injuries though, which might put them out of the outsider position.

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            BelgianJuventino June 6, 2016 at 5:45 am

            I know, but the entire defense is make-do. And defense already was the weak zone. The flanks especially are weak as fuck. I wouldnt be surprised at all to see Insigne and SES destroy those flanks.

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            DutchJuventus June 6, 2016 at 9:20 am

            Losing Kompany was a disaster. The only decent defender and he could have kept the others in place.
            There’s a hype right now in Holland about supporting Belgium. The only “Dutch” influence on the Euro.

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            BelgianJuventino June 6, 2016 at 2:20 pm

            Same for Vermaelen and the most natural player to replace either one, Lombaerts, is also injured.

            Then their replacements are also injured. Now its alderweireld and Vertonghen in the centre, who are usually fullbacks for Belgium. This makes Vertonghen the best defender left for Belgium.

            The fullbacks are a joke. Jordan Lukaku is weak defensively and inefficiënt in attack. Ciman is even worse and even he looked like a hero against Norway.

            Belgiums defense is almost non existent 😛 midfield and attack will have to do wonders to make up for it.

            If Italy can make it 1-0, I dont expect Belgium to make a comeback from that.

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            DutchJuventus June 6, 2016 at 6:25 pm

            I see. Is Jordan Lukaku Romelu’s brother? Netherlands have always had defensively very weak players but our midfield and attack has always made up for it, so it’s definitely possible. Belgium has some players i rate pretty high.

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            BelgianJuventino June 6, 2016 at 9:29 pm

            Yes he is. Indeed, Oranje has an evenly shitty defense 😛 but the attack and midfield they had is still better than ours.

            And our coach is nothing special either

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            DutchJuventus June 7, 2016 at 6:38 pm

            Marc Wilmots.. I don’t like him. I don’t know too much about him to have a fair judgement though, but i still don’t like him. Any realistic coaches you’d prefer over him?

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            BelgianJuventino June 8, 2016 at 12:41 pm

            I dont like his selections or his style. Its boring and slow football which doesnt suit the players.

            I dont know for sure who is realistic, but the coach should be Belgian or at least Dutch for the obvious reason that he needs to understand the players. It would be odd to have for example An Italian coach for Belgium.

            I would love Boskamp xD but I think Vanhaezebrouck would be a good choice. Or maybe a currently unemployed dutch coach.

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      KPS235 June 1, 2016 at 10:26 pm

      this is the worst italy squad ive ever seen on Euro or WC lol, Parolo, De Rossi, Florenzi, Motta (wtf motta?) Sturaro, Immobile, Eder(oh my god) Marchetti hahaha, this is not squad , this is total joke, and pretty poor and stupid joke, conte im so happy now that you left juve cos you just showed yourself like a big dick, you do not call pirlo&gio&berardi but you take eder&motta&de rossi&sturaro&parolo&immobile???lol

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        BelgianJuventino June 2, 2016 at 11:49 am

        Just out of curiosity, how would you select the team if you were coach?

        I also have some doubts on his selections.

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    Sebastián Quiceno June 1, 2016 at 12:38 am

    My current opinion on the Morata situation.

    By reading his comments it is clear to me Alvaro is leaving all his options open, and even adding the madrid option to the mix cause RM is still in his heart (and who wouldn´t like RM having just won a UCL even while losing in the final – cause Ramos goal was offside so Atletico actually won 1-0). At some point he was going to be asked what does he want and it is fair if he is doing it in a timely and sincere manner. I think this is a VERY DIFFICULT decision for him because all options as it stands right now have some weight each with its own pros and cons, making it a decision on the margin, a risky decision that may alter his career path, and one he may come to somewhat or even deeply regret if done precipitously.

    Lets see the scenarios as Alvaro would see them, listed going from the most plausible to the least in my opinion.


    -Good pay. High probability continued success in Italy and a rather high probability of success in Europe in the short term, although we need you for that) A very good prospect of being a part of Juve in the medium (Lichsteiner style) and even long term (Trezeguet style)
    – Risk to be benched by Max if he continues to be excessively fond of Mandzukic and fight for spot with him and your friend simone (why do we have 3 #9´s in the first place?), receive all the praise and unconditional love – even if in a slightly shy manner – by the juve tifosi unless you do a very bad act of treason towards our beloved la Madama.


    – Good pay, Prove yourself in another league (Though his fast paced game might suffer the same drawback Cuadrado endured at Chelsea), learn another language, learn another soccer style, again get paid really really well (don´t know bout taxes compared to italy though)l,

    – Hope for Sporting achievements next year but risk getting none of them cause neither Chelsea or ManU have UCL and Arsenal don´t seem challengers).


    -Good pay. Prove yourself at madrid, be in your country, guaranteed sporting achievement (unless Barca or Atleti, and Bayern or Juve spoil out the party) even if not playing well or winning in official terms by losing in practical terms.

    – Be benched, be thrashed or even destroyed by a critical volatile an unsatiable fan base. Be out of Madrid in two years time unless you tear opposition apart all by yourself, and above all do it consistently, risk upsetting Florentino and be launched to the stratosphere.

    As it stands the Morata saga materialized the worries I had since long ago. (With ongoing matches I became worried Max Allegri wouldn´t use him as much and Alvaro would start minding or wondering his situation) Morata situation reminds me of the James drama (me being Colombian am very well versed on it -with it being all over the media till it sickened me-) and I sincerely think we `JUVE´ shouldn´t get drawn into the same sort of novella with Morata (nor the societá, nor the player, or the fans) and above all don´t handle it the same way after all WE ARE NOT R. Madrid 😀

    How did madrid handle it?

    1) Societá: If you want a place on the XI, work much more to be considered entitled to it

    2) The player: If I don´t get and XI spot Asap I´ll employ a different strategy and not work as happily as usual and resort to the media as a Jury to make my case.

    3) Separate into factions:

    – Some condemning and thrashing the player relentlessly

    – Some supporting him in a shy, powerless and hopeful manner

    How should we JUVE handle it:

    1) The societá: Not abandon the player but surround him and shield the player from media and fan attacks, and sort out with him the situation. To this point I have no serious complain about the handling but we still can´t lower the guard on it.

    2) Alvaro: I think he has not done anything greatly innappropriate till now, he was asked his desire, and he has been sincere. I don´t mind him doing it out of Vinovo cause it is not like teammates or the coach own him or are paying his salary, and maybe some don´t even mind if he leaves or not. Maybe it would have been better if he had said it to an Italian media outlet rather than a spaniard, but anyway.

    3) The fans: I think we MUST be grateful for what he has given to Juve, and I don´t think we are in postiion to condemn him or thrash him. I don´t think we should treat his comments as undisputed outright treason (to me it isn´t and he actually has a point in his claims with Max Allegri)

    -I feel some fans forget the reason he came here was to get playing time, I mean why move from being a sub at RM -leaving your boyhood club- to being a sub at Juve? specially since you are a much better player than you were to begin with? he would be in almost the same position as 2 years ago but far from family and his country, in that case understandably he would prefer being a sub at RM. Besides I although mandzukic did a good Job I think Alvaro gave if not a bigger at least an equal contribution as Mario.

    I expected Max Allegri to alternate Mario and Alvaro equally. Think of it Mario contributed a lot since he came this year but Alvaro did it since last year specially at UCL when other like Tevez Vidal or llorente wouldn´t be up to the task like in the UCL final I mean like WHO SCORED THE ONLY GOAL AGAINST BARCA, WHO WAS IT, DO ANY OF JUVE FANS REMEMBER? Tevez was a mere mortal, Vidal kept fighting more then playing, Llorente was out of his league, does what Morata did count for nothing?

    Now some comments here seem to say good performances don´t guarantee a starting spot, a comment by elisadallomo said “he (Allegri) said these young kids think that just because they did something important in one match… they were automatically entitled to a starting spot in the next game and to all the glory” in my opinion I am disappointed if Max actually said that. I mean if good performances and BIG GOALS ¡WHEN IT MATTERS! don´t entitle you to some type of recognition and further consideration then what does, having the coach be fond of your style like it is apparently the case with mandzukic whom he has always deservedly but excessively praised? if talking harsh is the name of the game then I have to say I prefer Alvaro Morata´s big goals and performances against the biggest teams in Europe (like his awesome and majestic play in Cuadrado´s goal against bayern -besides Cuadrado sweep of the defender and definition that goal was all Morata´s he took out 3 men at full speed by himself and passed perfectly to Cuadrado-). then I prefer Morata as 1st choice any day and in any stage rather than having Mario Mandzukic track back and steal balls or press high and poach some goals a few games in between aginst Freaking Chievo Verona. MORATA SUCCEEDS WHERE MOST OTHERS FAIL

    I think I get Alvaro´s point of view because it has been mine too all season long. Think about it: For starters you leave your childhood team and the one who 1st bet on you to get playing time corresponding to your quality because IT IS YOUR MAIN OBJECTIVE. After you move you shine for this new team bagging heavy goals that sometimes noone else seemed able to pull off when it mattered, yet on the narrative of managing players growth process and exposure to overwhelming pressure (same case as Dybala), you get rightfully benched (cause you had a girlfriend related performance lapsus pretty normal to your age). But it so happens there is no return as since the coach is fond of another type of player for #9 you get undeservedly benched.

    he doesn´t want to 100% commit to Juve because he is not fully satisfied with his situation at the club, and I and that is fair so that he will be benched next season just like he was in this one. Some people criticize him for apparently not wanting to fight for his place, but I think in his mind he has given a larger and heavier output.

    I have praised Max deservedly before but on this topic I am not happy how Max allowed Morata situation to get to this point since he was aware all along that the buyback option existed, these 2 years were the appropriate time to make Alvaro feel at home in order to expect now him to call Juve so. But thats is not what was done so we shouldn´t now expect a different result. I mean it would have taken Alvaro to be too disinterested or even naive to just accept being a sub and go by like everything is ok for him when clearly it isn´t.

    I think we may have one last chance to make things the right way with Alvaro

    – It doesn´t seem Madrid want him in their squad, add to it the fact Madrid need to be in good terms with us if they ever want to have a bid for Juve player even to be considered. media will make you think Rm look at Juve over the shoulder, but proceedings ahow they look eye to eye to us just as ti should be like in the old days of Juve Glory.

    Juve has said we want the player, if Madrid don´t want him for Madrid, why risk upsetting Juve? what just to please Arsenal? for starters Arsenal are well known for dealing with Barca. I think Florentino is more shrewd than that and would rather make deals with Juve than with Arsenal. Like `elisadallomo´ commented in this post we are not the same Juve as 2 yrs ago when we agreed to the buyback option, we have MUCHO MORE BARGAINING POWER.

    I talk Arsenal because they seem the more interested, but if when the time comes to act your talk Arsenal pull out of a deal, and even if they don´t pull out and RM prefer a Juve deal, do any of ManU or Chelsea step up to hijack a deal? I think they won´t cause they know they´ll lose to Juve and get bad press. They don´t seem that interested and if Real prefers a very profitable and above all a `certain´ deal with Juve (which paves the way for future deals – for much quality players-) than a slightly more profitable deal `on paper´ but much more questionable in certainty with Arsenal or any other PL team (with a much lower prospect for future deals -for less quality players-) I am very confident Florentino will choose have Morata stay, because like Marotta said we are talking not only Morata but also other deals with RM (don´t think now of Pogba because I am confident Marotta will service his vow to not let go the essential assets), which I just wonder which could be since Pogba and Dybala are out of the question.

    – Arsenal sit on piles o cash but I have come to see they are averse to spending big, and although some say they have new money coming in it wouldn´t surprise me if little or none of it went as reinvestment to the team. I must remind you all as londoners they are at the center of capitalism at least in Europe so I think it is more likely most of it goes to the owners pockets as a higher stockholder dividend rather than towards working capital. The new tv deal may to some extent be overhyped, I don´t think it will be armaggedon, the new world order, or the new earth after the ice age.


    To end on a high note I think Morata´s chances of staying are much higher than most people are thinking here at JuveFC forum. Most news these days are outright contradictions of each other. English media have Morata over there, Italian Media have him over here, Spanish media will just take the side that gets most clicks and even have both sides of the story which means double clicks. But Ill take Marotta´s words that Alvaro wants to stay (but in diferent terms this time around, and I say give them to him, assure him more playing time and even 1st choice striker spot HE DESERVES IT), and that although we `depend´ on RM we will work something out with them.

    So Forget about Cavani not proven to me on the biggest of stages and much more expensive MAROTTA I WANT MORATA AS 1ST CHOICE STRIKER, HE IS A CHAMPION above Mario, have roles turn around this time, have Mario earn the spot performing when it matters in the biggest stage.


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    Sebastián Quiceno June 1, 2016 at 1:43 am

    Hi JuveFc contributors

    I have been having problems with my comments since I post them and afterwards they disappear, specially if I edit any of it. A message appears that the comment is awaiting moderation but I have no idea as to how long it takes for it to appear again if approved.

    The other day I replied a comment but the reply dissappeared ever since, and I don´t think it was a dangerous post at all.

    Anyway i look forward to some guidance regarding commenting on the site.

    I thank you all beforehand for reading this.

    Forza Juventini

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      thegutterpoet June 1, 2016 at 3:06 am

      indeed, my friend…I saw a post of yours elsewhere appear during the day and by the time my eagerness got the better of me and I delved to read it had vanished! I shall raise the matter with the Chief. Cheers, TGP

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        Dar Black June 1, 2016 at 9:49 am

        I have had comments waiting for moderation too. It occurs only after multiple edits have been done.

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          Sebastián Quiceno June 1, 2016 at 10:56 pm

          Thanks a lot for the very insightful feedback,

          i think that may exactly be the explanation since I have rushed in writing and have done multiple mistake edits afterwards besides posting some rather long comments.

          So i´ll keep experimenting taking your advice into account.

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            Dar Black June 2, 2016 at 10:50 am

            No worries chap. Me too. I write a comment (with Android’s over enthusiastic auto-complete..) and then realise the errors later! Or else I just decide I did not make my point very well and try to re-do it! Hey presto, it goes into moderation mode. We get there in the end.

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        Sebastián Quiceno June 1, 2016 at 10:52 pm

        Thank you for your help poet,

        Rav actually replied my inquiry as have done others too, i think I have a slightly better idea now what may the issue be, and yes actually one of those vanished was a reply to you,

        So don´t think i am ignoring you alright pal? although I may not be agreeing lately with the majority because I rather am on Morata´s side of the issue with him which is what my last vanished post was about. but hey in the end will happen what God allows to happen so if he were to leave Juve there´s pretty much nothing that can be done about it.

        I am still SUPER OPTIMISTIC about the Juventus future, specially since listening to A. Agnelli´s interview from yesterday

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          thegutterpoet June 2, 2016 at 3:20 am

          Sebastian, my friend! I see no major debate in regards to Morata. I was resigned to his departure a fair few weeks back and find no surprise in his behaviour. Anyone shocked has been living absent of connection to the shared reality where we all dwell for at least some of our wakefulness, which is a stance and position to envy given the horror show that has become of humanity, yet looking back, to read how Balzac and Dostoyevsky delved into and delineated the human condition centuries ago, it becomes clear that humanity has always been mainly forged of cowardice, cunning, manipulation, brutality, affectation and everything ignoble. In terms of evolution, all that can be found is a worsening of mass ignorance, courtesy of the industrial revolution and the subsequent convenience of capitalism, which has shrunk the need to think, to feel, to act, to challenge…and also…the intelligence of the power bloc, the killer priests, of the anglo-zionist powers, and their move to export the major element required for revolution…whilst we have everywhere the 1-2$ ever richer, the rest ever poorer, what we lack is the mass suffering, instead our overseers have exported that suffering onto strange, foreign climes. Yet at some stage the blow-back will become hot and there will be nobody to cause to suffer, to extract profit from their suffering, from their rape and pillage and slaughter, but ourselves, our own societies, and then…only then…will revolution be possible. Indeed…and I had intended to mention that the Primavera won the Turin derby of a Scudetto semi-final last night, Pozzebon grabbed the winner in a 1-0 victory. Next up is Roma in the final, leaving the little ones on course for a double (Viareggio won in 2016). We also reached the final of the coppa italia primavera…as I keep mentioning, we have the finest crop of young talents I have come across since beginning my focus on their sector 5/6 years ago…

          forza juve

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      BelgianJuventino June 1, 2016 at 5:22 am

      Well that sucks! There normally is no such thing as a waiting period to show your comments. Hopefully Rav can sort this out for you mate!

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        Sebastián Quiceno June 1, 2016 at 10:20 pm

        Thanks a lot for the clarification, it gives me a much clearer idea that It may not have to do with JuveFC directly. Initially I thought the same, yet since the site sometimes displayed that preset “moderation” message, and since the comments section always seems so clean of trolls and haters I came to think it was possible there was some sort of comment filtering even if automated, specially since I noticed there is an underlying platform (Disqus) which may perform actions not directly under JuveFC control.

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      Moderator June 1, 2016 at 7:10 am

      Hi Sebastian – Thanks for letting me know – It happens sometimes, but very rarely. I’ll check the moderation queue and make sure all is well.

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        Sebastián Quiceno June 1, 2016 at 10:42 pm

        Thank you Rav for taking a look into it,

        From the replies to my post I lean to think it may have to do with an automated action by the Disqus platform, triggered by some posts being either long, or having multiple editions (like Dar Black suggests) since I happen to think those may be the ones which tend to fail in contrast to shorter, more straightforward posts,

        In that sense I must admit it has been frustrating to see my words dissappear, but no harm done, I have no complain to JuveFC and am grateful to be able to post here in the first place.

        It seems to be part of the learning curve on the mechanics of commenting at the site, so I´ll keep experimenting to post with less or no edits (so that it would leave only length of posts as potential failure trigger), though I welcome a more definitive explanation from you who actually know in detail how does the posting work.

        Thank you again

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    ADP#10 June 1, 2016 at 9:24 am

    As a side note, I must make a comment I’m very happy about. Only a couple of months ago, I would read the excellent articles on this website and be amazed how there were only a handful of comments at the end of them. On this aryicle, there is a full on discussion and several comments of fellow Juventini to read and analyze!

    This is a wonderful website. The writing and content of TGP, the Moderator as well as others is top class, and the comments on the posts show how well-informed the English-speaking Juventini are as well. It’s brilliant, and long may it continue.

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      thegutterpoet June 1, 2016 at 10:53 am

      Many thanks, ADP, not just for your praise but also for your own input which is equally nourishing to the community and a joy to find appearing. Always something to discuss and indeed the crowd here are the finest I have ever come across through my various journeys into virtual juve niches. I end up failing to focus on other matters as there is so much to respond to here and new reports to forge, which prompts me to avoid all that is below, begrudgingly, and return to the youth analysis. Cheers! TGP

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      BelgianJuventino June 1, 2016 at 11:17 am


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      Moderator June 1, 2016 at 3:38 pm

      You’re a gentleman and a scholar for taking the time to post that – Thank you so much because it makes it all worth while – Your valuable contribution in joining us here to keep the discussion going makes all the difference. GRAZIE ADP!

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    KPS235 June 1, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    if you dont want to play for Juve then boy.hmm but what now? we got 30m so i pray beppe will not spend it on osvaldo/matri/quags like deal, basicly we got money for berardi

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    DutchJuventus June 1, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    Zidane said he can see himself work at Juve one day and has a special feeling with the club.

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      KPS235 June 1, 2016 at 5:02 pm

      im not sure about his coaching qualities, it was pure luck that he won CL this year, lets wait and see how good or bad he is as a coach