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Juventus make offer for Gabriel Jesus

May 13, 2016 - 7:34 am

According to reports in Italy, Juventus have made an offer for Palmeiras winger Gabriel Jesus.

The 19-year-old forward has been previous linked with the Bianconeri, but today’s Gazzetta Dello Sport reports that Juve have taken their interest a step further by making a €20m offer.

The Brazilian starlet went on record as saying he’d like a move to Europe, declaring: “I’m at Palmeiras, and I do not think about leaving now. Maybe one day I would have the opportunity to play there. I’ll be happy.”

Tuttosport had previously reported that Juve were scouting the player, however he has a fixed release clause of €40 million and his current deal with Palmeiras doesn’t end until 2019

Here’s the obligatory Youtube video to whet your appetites.

 

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    Moderator May 13, 2016 at 7:59 am

    This is right out there, as rumours go – Granted, we were linked with the kid before…..but does it seem Juve-like to spend 20m in a player from Brazil ? a 19 year old who has never played in Serie A ?
    Yes, we have South American talent on our books, but they all joined by way of a few seasons in Europe first.
    This sounds like the most un-Beppe move you could imagine…..but i am braced for it – There will plenty of tranfer BS coming your way in the coming months.
    I plan to report as much of it as possible so we can go back and compile a list of how wrong these papers are, especally when Beppe says ‘we were never interested in said player’

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      ho Hi May 13, 2016 at 8:28 am

      Thats a brilliant idea.

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      Imad J May 13, 2016 at 12:07 pm

      I really think that in nowadays 20 million is fair for a bright future prospect. He seems really creative and we need to take some risks besides free transfers because they may pay as well. The way I see it, we signed Pogba for free and Dybala (One serie A season proven) for 40 million. This guy is in between. The thing that I like about that matter is that he seems very creative and skilled. He just lacks concentration. Something that the Juve mentality can instill in him. Tactical awareness and discipline. You see Pogba’s creativity didn’t increase through the 4 years he spent here; his discipline and tactical awareness did, which is transforming him into a consistent more complete midfielder. Why couldn’t it be the case here?

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        BelgianJuventino May 13, 2016 at 1:32 pm

        I have to disagree on this, 20mill for just another talented 19year old is off the mark. The top 5richest clubs could perhaps spend such lavish sums on these players, but would they?

        thats a whole lot of money for talented youngster X. I rather buy 10 2mill youngsters than 1 20mill one. Far safer and more chance that they are actually worth it and not overhyped already.

        I dont know this player but he is probably also called the “next ‘insert legend name’ ”

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          ADP#10 May 13, 2016 at 2:16 pm

          I agree my friend. Too much money for this player, especially considering we have be thrifty with our funds, unlike other clubs.

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            BelgianJuventino May 13, 2016 at 4:02 pm

            That is the main point indeed, we just cant take such risks, our revenue doesnt back this up.

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          Dar Black May 13, 2016 at 2:20 pm

          Case study: Anthony Martial Transfer from Monaco to Man Utd
          Reported fee: £38.5m
          Rumoured (true) final fee after add-ons: £61.5m (£78+m Euro’s!!)
          Looks like 20m euros for a young talent is pretty cheap after all…

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            BelgianJuventino May 13, 2016 at 3:20 pm

            Or United risked a whole lot of money..

            The Martial transfer isnt exactly the average transfer though.

            Everyone would be calling it mismanagement had that move failed. Look at Liverpool.

            Besides that, United is one of the top 3 richest clubs. Do you see Udinese, Benfica, Porto spend such sums on talents? I dont, and these clubs are famous for their excellent scouting of youngsters

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            Dar Black May 13, 2016 at 7:45 pm

            But with these young guns it’s not how good they are currently, but how good people think they are going to be. You are paying for the vast improvement potential they have as well as a decade + of active playing ahead of them. For the best youngsters that has a cost attached to it, reflected in the fee. Palmeiras are not mugs, they know that.
            It’s a gamble for the buyer, but you are buying something different than with a guy who is mid-career. Mostly they have peaked in terms of talent, and the mould is cast – buy one of these players and you know what you are getting with them, and you pay for what you see.

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            BelgianJuventino May 13, 2016 at 8:48 pm

            Of course, you are right there! As you explained already, it is the player he will become that you must pay for – without any guarantee that he will become the player you expect him to be.

            If Beppe and Paratici consider this lad worth so much, then they should go for it – just like they should have done with Verratti at the time.

            But it remains a steep price for yet another talented youngster of whom we know close to nothing – at least that counts for us or myself, maybe you are more familiar with the Brasilian League? Do you know this player? I have literally zero knowledge on him.

            It remains a risky thing to do, spending so much on a player. Worst case scenario he flops and that money is gone. Best case is like Martial or our own Pogba.

            It cant get better than the Pogba deal actually, what on earth was wrong with Fergie to let Pogba walk away!

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            Dar Black May 13, 2016 at 11:23 pm

            I have no real knowledge of the Brazillian scene BJ, it’s just a generalisation of the market. But clubs seem to be increasingly wise to the ‘Pogba’ scenario these days, and no longer wanting or allowing the wealthy ‘hawks’ to pick the talent off the bones of their club on the cheap.

            It still happens sometimes though. I am reminded about MK Dons in the 3rd tier of english football – sold Dele Ali to Spurs at age 18 a couple of seasons back for £5m + extras. After just two seasons Spurs could now easily sell him to one of the bigger PL clubs for £40-50m+ such is the form he has shown this season just ending. Within the next 3 years he may follow Bale to RM for an insane amount of money. How MK Dons must wish they had multiplied the price of the fee Spurs paid. Even with money received from the sell-on clause it is the fairly wealthy PL club Spurs who are going to hit the jackpot from Dele Ali when they (inevitably) sell him, not the small hard up lower league club who both spotted and nurtured the boy and gave him his chance as a pro.

            It’s not really unfair for clubs to get a good return on youngsters if they think they will quadruple in value within a few seasons, even if the fee does seem crazy for talent yet unproven.

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            BelgianJuventino May 14, 2016 at 5:31 am

            From this point of view, I feel you make a good point. Perhaps I was too focused on the buyer point of view.

            It is a tricky balance, a bit like selling a piece of art.

            It is worth what some collector is willing to pay for it, leading to ludicrous prices at times. And sometimes completely worth it.

            I remain of the opinion that if Marotta and Paratici actually pay that, it will come good in the end. They have done excellent already and once they do spend the cash, it has been worth it, see Morata and Dybala eh!

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            Moderator May 13, 2016 at 3:57 pm

            the only thing i would say about Martial/United is that they have the money to burn…..literally !

            Look at their track record for transfers over the years – i would argue that they had as many poor players as they did quality ones in recent years.
            Anderson, Veron, Falcao, Djemba-Djemba, Zaha, Bebe, Kleberson.

            Beppe seems a man that knows how to work with what he has – the biggest mistake was Martinez – that was a dreadful transfer by us

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        Moderator May 13, 2016 at 3:29 pm

        I totally get your point – In this market, in this era, it is reasonable – But perhaps not for us.

        We signed Sandro, only after he established himself at Porto. We got Dybala after time at Palermo.

        My main point was, it’s not like us to take a 20m gamble on a kid who may or may not be the next big thing.

        Remember that kid who used to the ‘seal’ trick ? Inter spent a ton of money on him and he was farmed out on loan, over and over. Dont even remember the kids name ! 🙂
        Remember Lucas Piazon ? He’s on loan at my home town club ! They play in the Championship.
        I just think we are working in a market where we have to be wiser with our money. We don;t have the moey of Bayern to spend millions on one player.

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      BelgianJuventino May 13, 2016 at 12:46 pm

      We could even gamble on the amount of players on the BS-list!

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      ADP#10 May 13, 2016 at 2:15 pm

      I think these are the types of signings will we make this summer mercato, since I am reading from TGP that we have significantly reduced funds as compared to last season. I tend to agree with TGP whenever I have doubt with something, even though by my own calculations we would have a budget of close to 100M.

      We can’t afford to pull a Bayern and pay potentially 80M for an 18 year old, and 40M for a proven world class talent….on the same day. I think we will be looking at South American talents and Serie A players only. Regardless, I trust Beppe and Paratici, they have proved me wrong for the past 3-4 seasons in a row…

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        BelgianJuventino May 13, 2016 at 3:23 pm

        How did you reach 100mill? (Just curious)

        I would be more than happy with one world class player, preferably a CAM and some decent players for the CB and RB positions. Plus Berardi.

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          ADP#10 May 13, 2016 at 4:38 pm

          I’m including transfers out as well. 50-60M that come from the CL and general run in the Coppa and Serie A, and that is after all wages have been taken into consideration. Then if we can sell Pereyra, Hernanes, Coman, Isla, De Ceglie, and the other loanees, we could get another 40-50 from that. I estimate we could potentially spend 100M, but to be honest I have no idea of the intricacies of the economic side of all of this, so I just trust TGP hahah, he writes the most eloquently as well so he is the most persuasive.

          Ideally, I think 2 players for each section of the pitch bar goalie should come in. For attack, Morata and Berardi for 45M, but now it seems Morata won’t be a bianconero next year. 75M for a world class CAM and CM, no idea who those two will be. And 20M for a RB and CB, again the names are unknown atm.

          140M total expenditure, it most likely won’t happen, but let’s see what develops in the end. What I know for sure though, is that if we can get what I’ve listed above, we are probably favorites for the CL next year.

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            BelgianJuventino May 13, 2016 at 8:57 pm

            I wont go into numbers myself, but I think you expect too much from outgoing transfers. Isla wont be raising much money and De Ceglie nothing at all, same as Caceres.

            Hernanes max 10million and the Coman deal only activates in the next summer I think or it comes in installments, but not all of it now anyway. Pereyra is the most valuable on that list and I dont expect more than 15mill for him, he has been injured nearly all season.

            Perhaps Padoin and/or Neto will go, but the former will also be practically free and the latter max 15mill again, even Handanovic is said to be around that value and he is a rather good goalie who is a starter too.

            The incoming transfers are Fantacalcio I’m afraid 😛 there is no way Juve will spend so much on a CAM or whatever for that regard.

            In my eyes, we should add Berardi, a CAM who is around the Pjanic level, a young CB as Chiello’s heir and a RB to challenge Lichtsteiner – I dont see Lirola push him so much as Sandro can push Evra for a spot on the field

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            ADP#10 May 13, 2016 at 10:32 pm

            True true, I admit there is a lot of fantacalcio on my part, just maybe a bit of jealousy after seeing a team we so nearly knocked out in the CL spend so much money in one day.

            To be honest, I should stop commenting so much on transfers, because I have been proven wrong by what Marotta and Paratici have done over the last few years.

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            BelgianJuventino May 14, 2016 at 5:26 am

            Haha I know exactly what you feel, especially once it comes down to Allegri. I thought Beppe had lost his mind appointing Allegri after Conte stormed off.

            Boy I was so wrong

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    Moderator May 13, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    Another Mercato update of sorts

    – The Guardian say Real Madrid will use their option on Alvarito and sell him on. It’ll cost them 23m, they’ll sell him for 40m

    – GDM says the meeting between Matheus Pereira and Juve went well – Apparently, an agreement has been reached between player, Juve and corinthians. Juve want to sign him in synergy with Empoli – now waiing on their response.

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      BelgianJuventino May 13, 2016 at 3:47 pm

      I really hope to know how much Morata has to say in this. If he has any influence, I cant imagine him wanting to be used like that.

      Madrid clearly do not want him. They made profit on him by selling him to Juve, so I really dont see why Morata would want to go back to be sold off again.

      Unless he wants to join another specific team, but since he never expressed any such desire I dont think that would be true.

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        Moderator May 13, 2016 at 3:52 pm

        I find it hard to buy into, but i look at it like this:

        1. Morata is behind Dybala and MM in the lineup
        2. Madrid is his boyhood club – if they can give assurances on starting games, he would be right to be tempted
        3. If he gets bought and sold on, it would be with his consent

        My sincere hope ? He stays and we get rid of this buyout clause once and for all. He will develop and he will be a huge asset to us…..he just needs to have faith.

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          BelgianJuventino May 13, 2016 at 3:59 pm

          All points are true, but then again, he should be able to get his spot back from MM. He had a rough period, but he showed just how good he is in Munich!

          I dont think Madrid will give him such assurances, they want more cash, not Morata.

          Its probably turning into a circlejerk by now, but we all hope he stays eh!

          I liked him from the very beginning, would have bought a jersey with his name ln it too if it wasnt for that damn clause.

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            Moderator May 13, 2016 at 4:06 pm

            haha – you make good points mate – i always looked at that clause as a way for Morata to prove himself to them and then they come back and get him……but i hope he has the sense to tell them to go to hell !

            Of all the players we bought in recent years, he is one of my favourites. Loved the way he just became one of the team so quickly.

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            BelgianJuventino May 13, 2016 at 4:18 pm

            Same here mate! I already like him at Madrid, it was great to see him join Juve and equal a Del Piero record so easily- scoring in 5CL games in a row! And against such formidable opponents.. Madrid, Barca, Dortmund and Monaco(it was Monaco right?

            He was and still is my hope for the new Del Piero! Despite not being really Del Piero-esque but oh well

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    Jas May 13, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    This kid is good and he has put up very solid numbers but I have my doubts about the Brazilian league. This seems like quite a bit of money for a player so young. Even if do get him, where would he play? Most likely he will be loaned out for a season or perhaps be a super sub. We have enough firepower, I think our focus should be on defense now. Chiellini and Barzagli arent getting any younger.

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    Moderator May 13, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    Another update – Too much to keep on top of –

    Juventus complete Matheus Pereira deal:

    https://www.juvefc.com/juventus-complete-matheus-pereira-deal/