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Making space for Pjaca…

August 1, 2016 - 11:59 am

Whilst the interminable focus of the mass media remains steadfastly following Pogba’s bowel movements, I have been pondering our signings to date.

The mercato has been immensely strong, and it seems likely that we can expect a reinforcement for midfield and possibly another striker. Asamoah can replace Pogba in the LCM role (where he may prove more consistent than the Frenchman), yet who else can be deployed there, at least until Marchisio returns to the ranks? We could try Sturaro and Lemina in the role, yet neither seem apt to offer similar potency as the departing Pogba or Ghanaian. That particular position in our 3-5-2 is very much an attacking role, supporting the nearby wingback and driving forward to make up the numbers higher up the field.

On the opposite flank, Alves provides a major upgrade on Cuadrado in everything but pace and age, and yet he is far from sloth. His ability on the ball is superb, as is his experience, creativity and cunning.

Pjanic is a more interesting signing for he appears mainly alive and finding top gear in the final third, linking the play, expert short passes, an eye for goal, yet Allegri has mentioned that he can possibly play in front of the defence in the regista role. I feel this is shoe-horning and making less of the Bosnian’s talents than if we were to deploy him as a trequartista, where he could produce far more damage. Khedira is talented and intelligent enough to play as our regista yet his box to box routine is more valuable as a RCM.

Higuain is a massive upgrade on Zaza and Mandzukic. He instantly becomes our finest finisher.

All of the above fit loosely into our 3-5-2. Yet another we have signed, who I have seen seldom talked of, is a player whose game is not at all suited to a 3-5-2.

Marko Pjaca was procured for EU23m on the basis of his form for Dinamo Zagreb. This is a hefty fee for a player recently turned 21 years of age, never tested at the highest level. Strongly linked with Napoli, Liverpool and both Milanese clubs, he chose Juve, where he would earn less than what was on offer at his other suitors. We have been following Marko for a few years and chose to begin negotiations before the EUROS, assuredly due to the concern that his stock would rise and our plans would be thwarted. Despite a sensational showing against Spain, we got our man.

 

I was a fan of Morata. Despite his rather poor season I have long concluded that he has world class ability very much focused on swiftly turning and accelerating with the ball at his feet, as well as a half decent goal scoring rate. Yet his game is rather singular, which is perhaps part of the reasoning behind avoiding a mammoth bid to bring him back after he decided to return to Madrid. He is at his most venomous when receiving the ball with his back to goal, turning on a sixpence, then charging towards the 18 yard area. Maybe there were discussions of his repurchase. Which led to either a solid demand by Zidane to retain the player or his price proving unpalatable to Beppe. My own conclusion is that Alvaro had some say in the move, and as a club, we have no interest in any player eager to be elsewhere. Regardless he left, as did Cuadrado. Both of which had immense pace. The Spaniard augmented this with control and an eye for goal, the Colombian…well…his pace caused many problems as no defenders like to be attacked with searing acceleration, yet his decision making and execution with the final ball or shot more often than not left a lot to be desired.

I look at both departures as creating a deficit in the squad of pace, ability to beat an opponent, creativity and threat in the final third. I strongly believe Pjaca fills that hole. Yet where will he play? For he is clearly no wingback.

Peeking at his progress in Croatia we find that he was invariably deployed as a wing forward, as part of a front three. Yes he can play as a striker, and due to his eagerness to attack defenders with pace and trickery he is an obvious pretender to Dybala’s crown. His potential however, may be so great that it leads to a 4-3-3.

He can dribble, with pace. He can shoot and pass intelligently in the final third. He cost a pretty penny. If we are to offer him the chance to develop, to mature, to reach his peak in our colours, we must play to his strengths. Which is not at all as a wingback on either flank. It is within a 4-3-3 or any variation which places him high up either flank, solely focused on offensive duties.

Any side with plans to play a front three requires balance. Had we purchased Berardi we would now have two wing forwards, both keen to cut in and shoot or create. Yet then we must consider the huge sum paid for Higuain and the world class genius of Dybala. Can the younger Argentine play as part of a front three? I suspect he could play in any system at Juve and still shine like Sirius on a dark night.

Kindly allow me to assume we attack the season with our current squad, minus Pogba. Yet avoiding incorporating my inklings of Zaza moving and another striker replacing him and also an extra body in midfield, possibly Matuidi or Biglia.

Buffon

Alves Bonucci Chiellini Sandro

Khedira Pjanic Asamoah

Dybala Higuain Pjaca

Swap in Marchisio for Asamoah after Christmas and we are moving ever closer towards becoming one of the finest teams on the planet.

Yes yes! To move away from our BBC defence, which is one of the strongest of history, may seem like sacrilege, yet we have a Pjaca gem in the mega rough to incorporate. And one of the most burning questions Allegri will have to answer this term is how quickly to bring him through and also how quickly he wishes to deploy Pjanic where he is at his most potent. A 4-3-1-2 would perhaps suit Pjanic, yet precludes the inclusion of Pjaca.

Your thoughts are welcome as always…

forza juve

TGP

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    4ZA-JUVE August 1, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    Maybe not in the beginning of the season but in the final third of last season Lemina showed he’s completely capable of playing the regista role. He’s young, fast, strong, and with time and the proper guidance he can surely hold his own. Pjanic for me is the direct replacement for Pogba, in the end Allegri will get it right, either a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-3-2-1 will get the most out of our players. I feel that the 4-3-2-1 will allow Higuain and Pjaca to shine, and Dybala is fantastic enough to adapt. But with Gabigol, Matic, Matudui being linked a 4-3-3 & 4-2-3-1 could also be options. Either way can’t wait, fingers still crossed Pogba stays, if not, I expect 3 players to arrive!
    Forza Juve!!

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      KPS235 August 1, 2016 at 2:17 pm

      4231,3421,343,4321, we can play whatever we want, i think this is the best mercato since calciopoli(for now)we have 2 wc rb/rwb, 3wc cb’s plus 2 great back up’s, 2wc lb, simply, we have the best defense in the world no doubt,midfield is something i start to afraid a bit of, if we lose pogba, “if”, we need to find replacement, im not sure about matuidi, he is good player but nowhere near pogba , he is great fighter but can hardly beat any1 when 1on 1, same goes for witsel, i will not name any 1 cos i have no idea, but otherwise we have 3wc mids, then player on his way to be great maybe wc(lemina)and asamoah&sturaro- not bad at all lol, and now attack, for now we have 2 argentine wc forwards, then wc in process(pjaca) great fighter&poacher mandzukic and zaza, if we swap zaza for gabriel barbosa we are top 3 in the world(barca, bayern, juve,…real, atleti, psg…..english crap.
      cant wait to season start.
      forza juve

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        Gerald Quinn August 1, 2016 at 6:31 pm

        Real Madrid has a better Squad than Barcelona in Defence and Midfield…especially Midfield….Barca only wins in attack. The 3 best teams in the world right now are R.madrid, Bayern and Barca….as this season srarts we will dethrone Barca and it will be R.Madrid – Bayern – Juve. As top 3 big dogs in soccer. Aletico madrid is also an upcoming WC team. But has more Will and fight than talent, Same with Bourissa Dortmund, BVB struggled when Bayern took Lewandowski – Gotze and now Hummles, but as it stands today other than their defence BVB is also a feared team. BvB and Atletico will be our biggest rivals in dethroning the Spanish Giants and the German King. I wouldent be surprised If Liverpool joins the party next year as they to have an excellent attack Origi -sturridge – promising Ings, and a feared Midfield ( id say the best Attacking Midefield in all the EPL). Not to mention Klopp as the mastermind

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          KPS235 August 2, 2016 at 2:11 pm

          sturidge cant stay fit for longer than few games in a row, he is good finisher but from glass,
          dont think that real have better defense than barca, maybe on the paper, but barca’ def works bettery as a unit, and tbh, dont even care lol

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            Gerald Quinn August 2, 2016 at 6:32 pm

            we will see about Sturridge, it is known that Klopp doesnt keep players like that, Klopp loves his 90′ pacey football, sosense he kept himand didnt sell him this transfer season, im guessing they worked out a plan, that or he will be sold next transfer market

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            KPS235 August 2, 2016 at 7:07 pm

            honestly mate, i realy dont care bout english crap no matter who coach em( but, im little wondering about conte, this guy is a real master but cant forgive him that he left us like prick!)otherwise epl can suck my dick lol, no offense

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          grazie padoin August 2, 2016 at 3:53 pm

          Liverpool have a garbage defence.

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            Gerald Quinn August 2, 2016 at 6:06 pm

            This is true, I may add that Liverpool – chelsea – man U and Man C all have garbage defense….we would have to wait for that following transfer season and see who they bring sense none of the mentioned teams really worked on defense this transfer season. Still the addition of Matip to liverpool and the good form Klavan has been showing in friendlys is a good start. some say klavan will surprise us all….maybe klopp can make him a big name like hummeles? or maybe im dreaming lol; nonetheless is clear he has a big work ethic and has untapped potential which is wierd for his age

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    rafael barbieri August 1, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    3-5-2

    Pjaca takes pogba’s role when defending. This formation can shift to a 3-4-3 in attack. Khedira pairs Pjanic like he does with kroos.

    Pogba so often was instructed to shield the LWB by defending close to the sideline. In attack pogba very often paired with evra/Sandro. Pjaca should be able to do this.

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      thegutterpoet August 2, 2016 at 10:40 am

      Pogba, whilst not by any measure a natural defensive midfielder, was able to nick the ball often then charge forward and block runners with his huge frame and decent pace. I feel Pjaca is far more offensively natured, yet could be wrong?

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        rafael barbieri August 2, 2016 at 2:03 pm

        If juve bring in a physical presence at CDM, then playing a player like pjaca in an offensive midfield role could be interesting. Maybe toying with a 3-4-2-1 with dybala and pjaca finding space near and wide of higuain.

        It really depends on who else juve bring in at CM, the health of marchisio and khedira, as well as Pjaca’s form. So many questions need answering in the midfield.

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        KPS235 August 2, 2016 at 2:44 pm

        pjaca is natural winger, no cm/cdm/lcm

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    ADP#10 August 1, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    First of all, the fact that Pjaca chose Juventus over clubs where he was guaranteed a starting spot, and for less money, makes him a rare player in the modern game and an example for Berardi.
    I have full confidence that his mentality and ability, as well as great nurturing by Allegri will lead him to becoming an indispensable player for us in the near future.

    However I’m not sure that it will be this season. I originally thought he would becoming as a backup CAM for Pjanic, but I read elsewhere that he is not suited to that role. As you say, he is effective only in a front 3, preferably on the left side. I think initially he will come on as a sub for one of the two strikers in the 3-5-2 we will play, and if he performs really really well then it might force Allegri to push for a 4-3-3 with Pjaca and Dybala either side of Higuain. Dybala can play the RW well enough, as he showed throughout last season, and just like Messi, I expect him to wreck havoc from that position just as he does in a CF role. The main reason I don’t think we will see too much 4-3-3 though, and therefore less Pjaca, is because I think the BBC will continue to be dominant, at least for this season. Maybe for 2017-18, with Pjaca fully integrated to the Italian game, he can be full time starter and become for us what Kaka was to Milan in his first spell there!

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      thegutterpoet August 2, 2016 at 10:28 am

      Dybala was not by my reckoning anywhere near a RW. He was roaming, constantly, across the field and deep. Agreed on the predicted progress of Pjaca. Which makes sense as he has not played at this level consistently before, he is young and will need time to adjust, though he could seize the opportunity and demand inclusion in the first XI with a string of fine offerings from the bench, yet then what does Allegri do eh?

      The BBC defence will likely prevail, in front of which, we are not at all set in stone.

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    Jas August 1, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    Replace Asamoah with Lemina and you have one hell of a midfield. The three man front line looks beautiful. I am just not sure how well suited Dybala is for the wider role. Might be something Allegri experiments with this season. In my opinion Pjaca will be better than Cuadrado shortly, the fact that Marko is a much better finisher than Cuadrado and a much sharper mentally than Morata makes him the full package. People often forget how many god d*** times Alvarao kept being in offside positions costing us so many clear cut chances. I think Marko is a mixture of both with the potential to be a better overall player than both.The fact that we invested so much in him proves this point, I think we are sick of loaning players and nurturing them and then having no saying if they go back to their parent teams. It was a good piece of business for a while but I dont think they are looking for short term fixes anymore.

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      thegutterpoet August 3, 2016 at 11:04 am

      On what are you basing your opinion on Lemina, my friend? He hardly set the field alight last season and remains very much a work in progress. Yet Asamoah, before his injury bothered season was consistently superb, at both ends of the field. Even playing out of position. I’d always opt for the Ghanaian over the Frenchman. Proven steel over potential which has admittedly not had much chance to shine, but nonetheless, is yet to be proven worthy of our colours. I wish them both well this season.

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    Gerald Quinn August 1, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    What About a 4-2-1-3 judging on our current squad, it satisfies

    Defence: Alves and Sandro’s preffered LB/RB or LWB/RWB. Have Bonnuci and Chielini
    As starting CB bring Barzaglo as Sub.

    MID:
    DM: Pogba – Khedira, or in the event that Pogba Leaves, Khedira – Lichsteiner/ Lemina as sub. ( one of our Lb if not even 1 of the 3 BBC might want the Challenge of CDM rather than siting on the bench.

    CAM: Pjanic

    ATTACK: Higuain St/CF, Pjaca and Dyabla on the wings. (Ive always thought of Dyabla as more of the winger type than an ST anyways)

    I see this 4-2-1-3 as our best bet this season…at least for Champions cup

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      thegutterpoet August 2, 2016 at 10:23 am

      I feel that Khedira is wasted by staying back, Gerald. He is one of our most capable midfielders in the final third, always a threat and has a startling ability to seek out goalscoring positions for such a big lad of not exactly blistering pace.

      As much as I am excited by the idea of a front quartet of Pjanic, Dybala, Pjaca, Higuain, I do not see Dybala a natural fit for hugging the flank. He needs to be given licence to roam, pull defenders and midfielders out of position, pick up the all deep and make use of his pace and dribbling ability. Still, it would certainly be entertaining, and we might end up seeing 5-4 and 4-3 as regular scorelines!

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        Gerald Quinn August 3, 2016 at 5:27 am

        ” it would certainly be entertaining, and we might end up seeing 5-4 and 4-3 as regular scorelines!” that’s what i was thinking, I mean our defense is impeccable, lets make our final third equally as impeccable; and although Khedira wont be constantly looking for goal his strength and build is a tremendous asset for CDM not to mention he can still go up, He isnt a defender so wont be always down, he could still shoot at goal and make deadly passes with enough pressure. I doubt Khedira can do a better job in the final third then Pjanic or Marchisio or even Pjaca…thats why i find it so reasonable

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    Theo August 1, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    Very interesting article!
    I am with you on Asamoah being a good short term solution for Pogba, because let’s face it, the Frenchman is pretty much out. It’s true the Ghanaian offers more of a defensive cover in the middle of the park, but we’ve got plenty of attacking support in the face of Pjanic and the box-to-box role of Sami. However, I just don’t see a change of the 3-5-2 any time soon… It offers a brilliant balance between defense and attack, our wing back transfer strategy has been very focused on it for years, Dybala has settled perfectly between the lines and the BBC has great cover in Mehdi and Daniele.
    Food for thought though! Since you were present at the MCG and you’ve noticed first hand our play…what do you think of Allegri’s first half tactical approach? He deployed Dybala and Pjanic behind Cerri in a classic Christmas tree formation 4-3-2-1, very much reminiscent of the Ancelotti Milan days. Maybe Dybala and Pjaca can work behind Higuain in similar sense, playing thru the middle but also drifting wide?
    Keep up the good work! Best

    • thegutterpoet
      thegutterpoet August 2, 2016 at 10:17 am

      Far too friendly and disjointed a game to judge anything, Theo. Dybala, Sandro and Asamoah were a class above every one else on the field. The only issue with Asamoah is that he has played on the flank for so long that he seems to naturally lean towards the wing, yet again, I have seen friendlies, of which very little can be gleaned.

      The 4-3-2-1 is an interesting option. Pjaca and Dybala behind Higuain, yet Cerri was playing more often than not with his back to goal, flick-ons and the like, which isn’t going to get the best out of Higuain who plays facing the goal and is hardly renowned for his aerial ability.

      We have a stronger, fitter squad than this time last season and I expect a stronger start. How Allegri will tinker will likely come down to form and results. Also, the positive side of Pogba leaving and Marchisio out is that other players get the chance to stake a claim in the first XI.

      The most interesting element for me is to see how Higuain and Dybala pair up. We must hope they find kinship on field swiftly, and if they do…we will have little to worry about. And much to rejoice.

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    Dar Black August 1, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    I like the look of him GP, verfy much so. But I am getting worried that we don’t have any really reliable midfield ‘hod carriers’ in the line up (as Cantona famously said about Deschamps and the need for players like that). We need a hod carrier! Once Marchisio is back then all is fine, but 2017 is a long way off if his injury is stubborn.

    Of course Serie A is in the bag as good as, our firepower up front almost guarantees that, but in the CL I would like to see more midfield grit than Khadira alone. He sometimes seems to drift away from the battle. Pogba, Marchisio and Sammi seemed a lot more robust than Khedira Pjanic Asamoah, and whilst Pjanic gives us a big lift in creativity can he do the digging out if Sammi is having an off day? Can we trust Hernanes, Pererya or Lemina to hold up against the better teams?

    • thegutterpoet
      thegutterpoet August 2, 2016 at 10:12 am

      Still assuming, for the best, that Claudio will return to first team training in December, which could have him back to somewhere near his best before the knockout stages of the champions league (if we make it!). By which stage he will seem like a new signing, and the other midfielders will have had a sterling chance to prove their mettle.

      And I agree very much, we need a no nonsense midfielder who can break up the play and stick to task, add a screen to defence, especially if we are to trial a back four, which with Pjanic and Pjaca in the squad, is surely likely. I still believe in Sturaro. Yet Allegri has thus far seen him as a back-up to Khedira, which is the same for Lemina.

      I have zero trust in Lemina, Hernanes or Peryera to come good in a central role in front of the defence, at least in the 3-5-2. Pjanic will be similar to Pirlo, yet far more mobile. He doesn’t tackle and isnt naturally an intelligent reader of defensive phases, his game is very much offensive from what I have seen.

      Marchisio in turn is no natural DM or regista. Yet his reading of the game and mentality are top drawer so he can do a job there. I continue to assume we will sign some muscle, hence my long term hopes for Matic. With a few slavs in the squad, and less opportunity at Chelsea (with Kante’s signing) we may well be able to lure him away from London. Failing which Matuidi looks solid. The Mexican Herrera is talked of as viable. Beppe and Fabio surely have other options.

      Its a shame that Mandragora seems injured yet again as he is naturally a DM.

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        Dybala August 2, 2016 at 10:59 pm

        They should try and sell Sturaro, probably get €20 million for him. Not bad dollars for a guy who rarely sees the field.

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          thegutterpoet August 3, 2016 at 11:02 am

          By my reckoning, Sturaro has done more to justify inclusion in the squad than Lemina. Who is yet to convince me. I cannot even confidently suggest his ideal position, can you?

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            grazie padoin August 3, 2016 at 2:55 pm

            DM/CM

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    Gerald Quinn August 2, 2016 at 2:18 am

    https://www.around-j.com/juventus-targeting-marco-verratti-paul-pogba-replacement/ could Marco Verratti really be coming our way?

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      BelgianJuventino August 2, 2016 at 6:55 am

      Doubt it. PSG doesnt want to sell (already rejected 60mill offer) and Verratti doesnt want to leave Paris either

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        Gerald Quinn August 2, 2016 at 5:58 pm

        oh ok :/….i guess Witsel then

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          BelgianJuventino August 2, 2016 at 7:29 pm

          Apparently he also recently signed an extension so yeah, Verratti is not a possibility.

          Witsel perhaps. I’m not much of a fan for this move in all honesty. But neither am I for a Matuidi move.

          I think I would agree to Matic or perhaps a veteran, say Xabi Alonso or something like that, I am just naming the first veteran that comes into mind here.

          I think Lemina and Sturaro are good right now, or we would need to sell one if we want a star coming in. Probably Sturaro out of these two

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            Gerald Quinn August 3, 2016 at 12:25 am

            really? i read Witsel’s interest in us is high and that we should expect him on a free next season…yea im not a big fan of Witsel either (he is a good addition but in no way a pogba replacement), but if we can get him for free or for cheap why not? he is still very young and has plenty of time to develop into a great player.

            i dont think we will sign Matic because Conte wants to use him,

            Lemina is good…i dont like staruro, hopfully we sell him

            we should go for Shwansteiger since he will obviously be benched by Mourinho

            i wouldent mind Matuidi he is as strong as pogba, the thing about pogba was his Strength, shots from long range and dribble, at least with matuidi we wont be so weak in midfield, despite him not having good shots from long range; well we have khedira, but two hulk’s are better than 1

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            BelgianJuventino August 3, 2016 at 12:08 pm

            I dont think Witsel is Juve material, he might be a decent-good player, I just dont see him in a Juve shirt.
            Personal feeling. I think anyone we have already is better.

            Schweinsteiger, no thanks mate. He cant play full games anymore.

            I wouldnt mind Matuidi at all, but he is too expensive, Psg wants 60mill for him, its just too much.

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      KPS235 August 2, 2016 at 2:54 pm

      he just renewed with psg

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    Dubaianconeri August 2, 2016 at 4:48 am

    great article! the formation is ideal with the players available to us. Khedira is our most effective midfielder when not injured! I hope he remains injury free as he is a menace to opponents on the field. When he is injured, our subs are not up to task in Hernanes and perreyra, plus Lemina is not there yet. Hence, I think we should go all in for Veratti.

    I am a big fan of Asamoah and really do wish he stays.

    Alves Bonucci Chiellini Sandro
    Khedira Veratti Marchisio
    Pjanic
    Dybala Higuain

    • thegutterpoet
      thegutterpoet August 3, 2016 at 11:01 am

      I agree with you on Khedira, as when he plays we generally win. Though Verratti seems a dream too far from our reaches or even interest.

      The 4-3-1-2 seems the most likely formation we will adopt alongside the 3-5-2. ANd yes yes! Asamoah must remain and will do. He is still only 27 and has several years at peak level to come. In our colours.

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    thegutterpoet August 2, 2016 at 10:25 am

    I suspect that Pjaca is presently ear-marked for a vice Dybala role. Which is a shame of sorts as I would like to see Pjanic as our trequartista. As you suggest, the formation morphs in a game depending on the flow and scoreline. Allegri has a huge amount of talent at his disposal and it is his job to make the most of that talent, which may not mean playing the most technically gifted players all at once.

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      Ali El Shaer August 10, 2016 at 5:08 pm

      I think Pjanic will stick to the deep-lying playmaker role, as for not playing the talented players all at once i think when playing 352 we might see either Dybala or Pjaca serving as a second striker, other than that I think both can feature together along with either Higua, Manzu or Zaza as a target man.

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    KPS235 August 2, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    any1 know if evra is back with team?

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      BelgianJuventino August 2, 2016 at 7:30 pm

      He and Pogba are expected back at Vinovo on the 8th of August for training

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        KPS235 August 2, 2016 at 9:40 pm

        oh, ok then, is this cos of their participation in the final?

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          Gerald Quinn August 3, 2016 at 12:17 am

          yea, he took his vacation with Pogba, they where both here in L.A on Saturday

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            KPS235 August 3, 2016 at 10:55 am

            just saw some video from NY and fans asked pogba if he stays with juve- answered yes

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          BelgianJuventino August 3, 2016 at 5:21 am

          Yes, they got extended vacation 🙂

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    Dybala August 2, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    Who is Juve realistically going to replace Pogba with in the transfer market?

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      Gerald Quinn August 3, 2016 at 12:38 am

      – could be Matuidi
      – could be Moussa Sissoko (starter for france this euro)
      – I am hoping we make a bid for Schwansteiger
      – i am Praying to all the gods, hoping, making deals with the devil… just i wish we could make a bid for Ivan Rakatic
      – Maximillan Arnold would be a good choice as well

      It Is Not going to be:
      – no Matic (chelsea wont sell)
      – no Verratti (Psg wont sell, and he renewed contract with them)
      – No Gundogan (he left for Man City, but he could’ve been perfect for us)
      – No Axel Witsel (he is to expensive Zenit want 30M+, but he may join us for free at – the start of next season)

      ……Idk who else? what other options we got????
      Kroos
      james
      de bruyne
      ..Are all umrealistic this transfer season considering how much we have spent. maybe pogba’s replacement can com in mid season’s transfer market???

      • thegutterpoet
        thegutterpoet August 3, 2016 at 10:59 am

        Schweinsteiger seems a terrible idea, comrade! He is a shadow of his former glory.

        Matuidi is looking too pricey. The rumours of Gustavo are welcome, for he is highly experienced and we lack a dog of war. Newcastle want stupid money for Sissoko. Rakatic far too pricey and settled in Spain.

        Back to Draxler…we have no need for him. Already there seems a problem fitting in all our attacking talent, why add to the mix when we have really only a Pogba hole to probably fill. If we were to sign any player, I believe it will be a natural DM. Not a player specialising elsewhere, but an out and out defensive midfielder, as this is the only specialist we presently lack.

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          grazie padoin August 3, 2016 at 2:54 pm

          I don’t think Gustavo has space in this juve.In 2012 juve he might have been a good option.On Gustavo he has also regressed after Bayern move.

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          Gerald Quinn August 3, 2016 at 11:43 pm

          are we talking about Luis Gustavo? was with wolfsburg 2 sesons ago? …why do we want him??? too old…and has nothing to offer this squad

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            thegutterpoet August 4, 2016 at 10:39 am

            Schweinsteiger is 32. Gustavo is 29 yet the Brazilian is too old? I think you may have your ages mixed up, my friend?

            I see no growth in Khedira. When he is fit he is always classy. Morata had one amazing season, one not so great. Dybala is coming along very nicely though with plenty of room to further develop.

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          Gerald Quinn August 3, 2016 at 11:49 pm

          i dont think its fair to judge Shwansteiger on his performance at ManU to
          be fair he isnt the only player who went to ManU to then loose all their
          form, look at Depay and rooney, Ronney has been out of sorts, Rojo hasn’t done great for them despite having a good copa America, Mata is also a shadow of his former self….the whole Man U team is just crap, and it is either a sporting director or van gaal thats just killing all these players.

          with the right Catalyst i am confident Shwansteiger can return to former glory I trus Beppe and gang to do this as they have successfully encouraged growth in Dyabla,pogba,khedira,Morata etc… anyhow i hear he may return to Bayern…we should bid low and try to revive him if we can

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    Bianconeri_Archer_PH August 3, 2016 at 2:24 am

    I know its a year too late but what do you guys think abot draxler? He said he wants to leave Wolfsburg recently. Thoughts?

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      Gerald Quinn August 3, 2016 at 5:21 am

      he would be awesome!!! and considering how old he is and how good he already is, he could likley reach and surpass pogba’s level with us. …but didn’t we try signing him last transfer window???

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        grazie padoin August 3, 2016 at 8:09 am

        POGBA is a creative box to box midfielder whereas draxler is a winger no comparison imo.

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          Gerald Quinn August 3, 2016 at 8:16 am

          but didnt he use to play cm in Shalke? i thought i remember him playing CM like 2 years ago

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      VonKellef August 3, 2016 at 10:17 am

      It’s not such a bad suggestion. He is young, talented and could potentially achieve great things.

      My questions are:
      Would you guys trade him for Zaza?

      Can he be used as a trequartista?

      If he is a attacking winger and we don’t use a 4-3-3 formation. The biggest reason that Coman didn’t work out for us, than I see no reason for us to buy him.
      At the same time. If there is any place we could still strengthen the team it’s in the middle. The rest of the positions is as solid as a rock and the blend and chemistry between players, coach and staff seems really good.

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      DutchJuventus August 3, 2016 at 12:27 pm

      He’ll be broken in Italy. One harsh defender and he’s dead.

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    thegutterpoet August 3, 2016 at 9:46 am

    Latest episode of Pogba : A Summer to forget, for those on the edge of their seats…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A2koYvmuNM

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      Dar Black August 3, 2016 at 11:31 am

      Maybe his mind is shot…. can’t see the wood from the trees. He looks tormented by the decision he has to make GP based on his photo of him on the plane ‘thinking about football’. I have no doubt that if it were not for his evil agent screwing him over with temptations he would stay. The Devil wants his millions, and loyalty need not stand in his way.

      He may be lying, or just avoiding telling the truth. I would not like to call it, at least 50/50 chance it’s still a reality he will go. If it’s not this year then we will probably have this charade return again and again each season – Pogba groundhog day.

      But how much shopping does he do!

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        thegutterpoet August 4, 2016 at 10:36 am

        Indeed, mate…Tricky to tell. Though I am yet to label Raiola as evil. Papers spout lies constantly. They write whatever draws attention. I doubt Mino is the despotic overbearing Owner of humble, laid back little paul. He has more advisors in his life than solely his agent. And he has never appeared dumb. Ive lost interest in the saga…

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      DutchJuventus August 3, 2016 at 12:20 pm

      Is that the Marco Messina who used to post here a few years ago? Idk if anyone who was around back then remembers that.

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        BelgianJuventino August 3, 2016 at 5:28 pm

        Is that him? I remember him, but no idea what he looks like!

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          DutchJuventus August 3, 2016 at 8:35 pm

          I don’t know what he looks like, but when he posted here he already used to stalk players. He jumped in front of Henry’s car when he played for New York Red Bulls, he snuck into Juve’s hotel. He also lived in New York. Must be him.

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            VonKellef August 3, 2016 at 11:16 pm

            I remember him from the good old days when all of us used to hang here all the time. Whatever happened to Tpick and the other guys who used to hang here?

            I remember Marco Messina. He was a hardcore fan. I remember him and his father getting invited to a training when Juventus was in the US. I remember when he got in to the hotel and the Henry story =D
            He used to post videos on him self playing with the school team and stuff like that.

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            DutchJuventus August 4, 2016 at 2:08 pm

            I wonder about that too. Tpick isn’t extremely long ago i think, i think he stopped posting around the same time Adp stopped posting. Probably due to inactivity of the site at that moment. Marc too, he was inactive for a long time, came back for a few posts and disappeared again. Would be great to have them all back.

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            VonKellef August 5, 2016 at 12:36 pm

            We’ll just have to keep on coming back here. Reading them articles that Rav, The Gutter Poet and everyone else that is involved provides us with. You guys are doing an amazing job and I for one can’t compliment you enough.

            Hopefully when the activity rises again so will our long lost brothers rise from the ashes like a majestic Phoenix bird.

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            BelgianJuventino August 4, 2016 at 6:33 am

            Hahaha I remember that with Henry, hilarious

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    DutchJuventus August 3, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    Also, on the Pogba subject, i think this is really just him going with any flow. He’s young, most young players don’t know how to act like true professionals. Raiola is putting a shitload of pressure on him, this is alot of publicity for both of them. I still hold on to the fact of Pogba saying he’s happy in Torino, multiple times in the recent months, and if he goes, he goes, whatever. As long as he’s on vacation in the USA, nothing will happen.

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      Dar Black August 3, 2016 at 2:10 pm

      But he also said “United, we’ll see”. Why? He did not have too Dutch. If he wants to stay he needs to just come out and say it!

      You are spot on about The Devil, and I wonder how much pressure he put on his other clients Zlatan and Henrikh M to forego the Champions League to move to Utd for a huge payday for them and him. If this deal for Pogba falls through it will probably be down to his cut not wanting to be paid by either party, and nothing would be a more apt outcome for that scumbag and his greed.

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        DutchJuventus August 3, 2016 at 8:32 pm

        I have no clue why he would say that. We can only speculate about that but we won’t get an answer. We will only get our answer at the end of August when the transfer window closes.

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    Gerald Quinn August 4, 2016 at 7:24 am

    BAD!!!!!!!!!HORRID!!!!!!!!!DESPICABLE!!!!!!! NIGHTMARISH !!!!!!!! NEWS!!!!!!
    COULD IT FINALLY BE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????
    https://www.espnfc.com/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/2922741/juventus-manchester-united-settle-on-110-million-deal-for-paul-pogba

    110M !!!!!!!!???
    – 84M TO JUVE
    – 25M TO RIOLA **paid by Manchester**
    WHAT HAPPENED TO 120M OR 130M?????

    so that is 6M short of what we paid for Higuain. looks like it might not be a record transfer after all

    The Big Question Is WHO WILL REPLACE HIM?????????????? WHO!!!!!!?????
    SO:

    – 25M For MATUIDI – https://www.around-j.com/juventus-submit-offer-matuidi/

    Personally i think this is a steal and we would be stupid not to buy him! 25M is a steal, and he is just as strong and good aerially as Pogba not to mention just as young GREAT CHOICE FOR 25M…
    Only bad thing is that Riaola is Matuidi’s agent…so he may go to Man U, next year with the rest of riola’s players XD

    – 32M For LUIS GUSTAVO – https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/exclusive-romano-luiz-gustavo-has-verbal-agreement-with-juventus-442136

    Personally i think this is a Stupid move! Gustavo is at the end of his time, he is not what he once was, not to mention he is for to Old and Slow for that price tag….ive never been a follower of gustavo, but in what i have seen he isnt memorable or overtly talented so 32M is A LOT for him ….Much Much rather Matuidi…or even Witsel. Luis Gustavo should be our final desperate option if there is really no one left to buy …though even then i might not like this move

    – 35M For MOUSSA SISSOKO https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/from-spain-real-madrid-not-interested-in-moussa-sissoko-juve-sti-170970

    Personally i like this move, Assuming he keeps and improves on what he showcased in France, he is a very good buy at 35M (idk how he plays at newcasttle, never been bothered to see a newcasttle game, im just judging him by his cup run in france). considering he is the same price tag as Gustavo this isnt a bad buy, we should do it if we cant get Matuidi.or even instead of Matuidi, they are both young and proven talent nonetheless…same cant be said for Luis Gustavo who isn’t even a starter for the Brazilian A team

    – Witsel has been set at 35M by the russians as they rejected our 15M bid, if we wait till next season we can have him for free.

    im not a huge fan, havent really seen him play to be fair aside from a couple world cup belgian games and some highlight reels on youtube that havent impressed me, but he is very young and for a Free or Low price tag I WELCOME HIM WITH OPEN ARMS! he can always still grow and develop beside us

    – Matic

    as much as i like the idea of him coming …i dont see it very probable now that Conte has said he wants to keep him :/. So i think we can all FORGET ABOUT THIS ONE, UNFORTUNATELY, Unless we OVER PAY wich i dont deem worth it considering the price tags and prospects of Matuidi and Sissoko

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      Gerald Quinn August 4, 2016 at 7:33 am

      i still think we should bid
      For Rakatic, and
      For Shwansteiger (who will be cheap and has been offered to us) https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/manchester-united-schweinsteiger-offered-in-serie-a-173988

      I would Preffer Shwansteiger ABOVE ALL!….. I THINK WE CAN TURN HIM AROUND and i think i preffer Sissoko than Matuidi, although then we look at the price tag and say well Matuidi is a steal for the price….i’d be fine with either Matuidi, Sissoko or Shwansteiger.